From:	Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject:	Re: the uac dilemma
Date:	Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:04:36 -0400

> From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: the uac dilemma
> Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 9:26 AM

> > Did you ever notice that in shadowrun unarmed combat the fight is
> > over after 5 seconds... the one who scores the first hit wins the

> My worst expeiences were when the team I was GM'ing ran into a bug
> nest....mostly a firefight, but one trueform materialized to do hand
> to hand (well, pincer to sword in this case).

<Snip>

> Now this was not such a great player, but he did have Willpower 6 (he
> was a mage-killer). I think he only had Armed 3 and Strength 3. THe
> Bug was only a force 4, and wasn't all that bright, but I couldn't
> see how the BUG not only LOST, but lost on ITS OWN ACTION. IT was
> disgusting.

Are you sure you were playing things out correctly? I mean, bug spirits
are NOT that easy to kill. They have threat ratings equal to their force
(which means your force 4 true form should have 8 dice to roll with every
attack/counter attack it makes), they have immunity to normal weapons (2 x
essence in armor vs. guns, arrows, explosions, etc.), and if they are hurt,
they can up and leave (in the case above, involving a true form anyway).

I just don't see how a character with a willpower of 6 can whoop so much
butt...I mean, he doesn't get to use his Combat Pool, because he's using
Willpower, NOT Armed Combat to attack the bug. Thus, the PC should be
rolling 6 dice for Armed Combat, and the Bug should be rolling 8. Not to
mention, the bug's armor against the sword...the PC should be toast.

Justin :)