From:	"Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject:	Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?
Date:	Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:13:26 +0000

On 20 Dec 97, Andy Gardner disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
writing:

> On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:36:22 Justin Pinnow stated
>
> > Incorrect. Leaving/entering one's body via Astral Projection is
> > an exclusive activity. Therefore, no other magical activities may be
> > taken while doing so.
>
> Then why do spells cast when astrally projecting cause physical
> drain regardless of force ? It's not an exlusive activity for it's
> duration, just at the start and at the end. I agree with not being

And could you please explain to me what's the diference between what
you've said and what Justin said? You're both saying the SAME thing,
for Pete's sake!
IOW your post makes no sense. :P

Also, on 20 Dec 97, Andy Gardner disseminated foul capitalist
propaganda by writing:

> On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:48:42 Kevin R Mohondro pondered
>
> > I can't seem to find any reference on this. I may have just read right
> > over it, though. A mage casts a Control Actions spell on someone. Can the
> > mage astrally project and keep sustaining the spell?

> IM (H) O no.
> 2 reasons :
> 1.) Astrally projecting is a complex action and involves
> pain/disorientation to the mage doing it. This would make it
> impossible (or if you want, nearly impossible) to sustain the spell.

Where did you get the idea that Astral Projection involves pain? And
you have already replied to a post that stated the same thing -
Astral Projection is an EXCLUSIVE action. It's not a problem of pain
or disorientation, but, IMHO, concentration needed to do it. The same
at with exclusive spells.

> 2.) Control Actions is a manipulation spell. ALL of these have a
> mana AND a physical component which they need to work (one of the
> flaws in cyber-pirates. You can't cast a manipulation spell while
> projecting). That's why a window will stop them, the physical part

Of course you can! You can cast ANY spell while projecting. Of
course, casting it at a target in astrall will cause the target
Force(Drain Level) damage, even if you have cast Shapechange or Heal
on him, but that's an entirely another matter. <grin>

> will bounce from the window. (For Barbie's reference, this also
> applies to the shapechange spell. If there's a window between you
> and the caster it'll fail or break the window and be much reduced in
> force.) So while astrally projecting you wouldn't be able to keep

Actually, this only applies to DAMAGING MANIPULATION spells,
since they "energize" the caster to expel damaging stuff at the
target. Your magic fingers spell does not look like a dart that flies
up to the TKed item, ya know... It works even on targets begind
armored glass. At least, unless I have a really faulty memory when it
comes to rules. <grin>


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