| From: | TODD ROBBINS <digger-@****.COM> |
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| Subject: | Re: Give it a rest - was re: Paul Hume (Was Re: Possession) |
| Date: | Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:48:54 -0600 |
> the matter kiddies, someone strange pissing in your sandbox huh? Don't
> like what Ivy has to say, fine do what I've done up to this point.
> Ignore it. If you don't propogate the silly thread by answering to it,
> it won't survive beyind the first couple of postings. You are all
> claiming to be nice polite and sensitive people <yeah right> So, if
> that's the case, why don't you try to exersize some of that sensitivity,
> and run away from the thread.
Hmm.. well, since I never claimed to be sensitive, nice or polite I
suppose that I'm safe from this diatribe. I answer Ivy's statements as
I would answer anyone that presented a point of view in such a vehement
fashion. I disagree with Ivy on a great many points, and will continue
to debate them with him/her to my hearts content. If you dislike this,
then take your own advice and don't read my posts.
> Ivy is not alone in the world in hating certain aspects of Shadowrun.
> I've seen quotes on this list from a couple of years ago, that are used
> as canon arguments, yet using Paul Hume and Tom Dowd is illegal for Ivy,
> yet legal for others. <helloooo> What's wrong with this judgement?
Legal? Illegal? In who's estimation? I've never used any of the
above names in my posts. Ivy stated that it was the opinion of the
three individuals that she/he was correct in the way they handle karma
and karma pool. I find this laughable at best, and many others have
responded with more empirical data than I have at hand concerning these
gentlemans opinions. I fail to see how this is such a horrible thing.
> [snip] Ivy has been rather obnoxious in some of "it's"
> posts. Big deal. Top Cat has also been obnoxious in the past, as have
> Doom, and others.
Yes, and I am allowed to debate with Ivy as much as I please, and will
continue to do so. It is my hope to broaden his/her perspective on the
game. If you find this a lost cause, so be it. But I for one am a firm
believer in lost causes.
> Deal with it. Occassionally someone is going to arrive and kick sand
> around. Occassionally someone is going to arrive that is going to rub
> sore points.
I am dealing with it quite nicely, thank you. In fact, your the only
one that really seems to be bent out of shape over this.
> I would rather see constructive criticism of Shadowrun material, and
> logical discussion of said material, than irritating hero worship and
> bland "Oh wow man, you're on the list, bend over while I brown nose and
> praise your material" OK, so the stuff produced was well liked, fine
> say so and get it done. The material was disliked. Fine, say so, and
> discuss why.
I thought I had. In fact, I thought I had encouraged Ivy to do the
same. Also, the term brown-noser is about as far from removed from my
personality as humanly possible. I am quite possibly one of the least
politically correct people in existance. This does not, however, give
me leave to act like a jackass and post sweeping generalities and vague
insults. If you dislike the fact that I will continue to respond to
Ivy, yourself and anyone else that engages in such activity then you'll
simply have to put me in your killfile, as I have no intention of
stopping.
> Insults get no-one anywhere - fast. Flames based upon "You can't be
> right because we don't agree" are senseless, inane and childish. Now,
> before you tell Ivy to grow up and get more polite. Try it yourselves.
> Grow up and try to be more polite. I seem to recall that within 24
Insults get no-one anywhere - and yet in the self same paragraph you
post a patronizing statement about growing up and trying to be more
polite. I would recommend you practice what you preach, before
preaching. Lead by example - the do what I say and not what I do
philosphy simply doesn't work.
> So, what is so different between what you all do, and what Ivy has done.
> Nothing. Ivy has criticised the Rigger 2 book in much the same way I
> criticised the Companion when it was released. So, Ivy was a little
> less delicate, Oh dear, too bad. Don't like it, then resist the
> temptation to respond in like fashion. I somehow feel that Jon Szeto is
I did respond, in a fashion that was appropriate and quite frankly
would do so again. Ivy's post was not a critique, it was a cheap shot.
If you did the same when the companion was released, then had I been a
member of the list at that time I would have posted a similar reply to
you.
> So, people. Get a grip on reality. And either talk to Ivy about "its"
> views, or shut the fuck up. Take it to private if you really want a
> flame war before Christmas, because I'm getting sick to death of paying
> for my connection only to download a pile of continuing insults and
> praise of "Hey, that was a cool response, I think your a real hero."
> Jeesus fucking Christ in a handcart, Get a grip!!!
Then drop the list. And get a grip yourself. These types of threads
are par for course in any mailing list, channel or conference I've ever
been in. You simply have to deal with them. If you think I have any
intention of allowing anyone to post nonsense and not respond, I'm
afraid your sadly mistaken. Not even this manner of nonsense will be
ignored. If you really were concerned with bandwidth, why such a
lengthy diatribe of the sort which you repeatedly claim to despise? If
you want to impress me, practice what you preach and give it a rest.
Odds are, you won't.
Digger
