From:	"Jeremy \"Bolthy\" Zimmerman" <jeremy@***********.COM>
Subject:	Re: Zeitgeists (Ghosts in Time?)
Date:	Fri, 1 May 1998 09:55:04 -0700

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> From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: Zeitgeists (Ghosts in Time?)
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 8:05 PM
>
> The Unknown Sender (whose posts I still can't get to paste/reply right)
wrote
> :
> -=-=-=-
> Might be... Webster's says it's something that embodies the spirit of a
> time... So I guess the question I have with Uncle Sam is what time period
> does he embody? I suppose I could imagine him being the essence of WW2
> American Patriotism. I guess Zeitgeists would also be fairly regional.
> Hmmm... I'd imagine, however, that Zeitgeists would be pretty rare,
pretty
> hard to summon, and most of the older Zeitgeists would be free spirits.
>
> I imagine the 2053 Zeitgeist would be a bit frightening.
>
> Anyone want to think up some stats and powers for something like this? I
> might try to cook up something tonight if I remember.
> -=-=-=-
>
> Ah, I think I have figured out what you mean now. Literally a "Spirit of
the
> Era/Year" itself. Okay, by that idea, Uncle Sam that I suggested would
NOT
> qualify. He's a Ghost from that year, one's taken on certain spiritual
> qualities and become more of a Spirit of Man type than anything else now.
>
> What you are looking for is a "collective embodiment of a given temporal
> reference". Yes, I knew of a definition like this, just not that name
(sorry,
> German isn't my strongest suit). I don't think you could get something
like
> to ever manifest except during the time period.
>

Yup.

> However, it would be an interesting twist on information gathering.
You'd
> have to have something -from- the year/time period in question, and it
would
> likely be Ritual for quite a while. We've got ideas on how to deal with
> Temporal Measurements within an abstract game environment. We call 'em
> "Chronums" and you can learn about them upon the Hacker House Web page...
>

Ve haf vays of dealing vith temporal measoorments.

Yeah, I kinda settled with the idea of having to have a physical embodiment
of an era required to summon it. Like a battered WWII helmet, or the
tombstone of a person who died from VITAS. I don't know about how to
summon them. I was thinking it would be in the province of a particular
type of shaman... kinda like how the Spirits of FF can only be summoned by
certain shamans and TNN mages who follow the paths.

> http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/intro.htm
>
> I think it's within the Magic section of the pages group, IIRC...
>

Couldn't find it.