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From: Jacob Engstrom <sabredanz@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Eurowars (Long)
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:49:43 EDT
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From: "James D. McManus" <lmaghnuis@**.duluth.mn.us>
To: sabredanz@****.com
Subject: Re: Alex van der Kleut <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>: Re: Eurowars
(Long)
Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 13:26:16 -0500
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980502132616.008c23c0@**.duluth.mn.us>

At 02:45 PM 5/1/98 EDT, Sommers wrote:
>
>
><Quote from Timeline Explorer>
>2033: On January 23, in Europe, Swedish airspace monitors detect several
>flights of what
>appear to be British Aerospace FA-38 Nightwraith fighter-bombers flying
>across northern
>Europe. In short order, the aircraft obliterate key communications and
>command centers
>belonging to both sides. At the same time unidentified commandos murder
>several
>hard-liners on both sides while the Matrix grids of both factions are
>destroyed by a virulent expert attack program. With their offensive
plans
>crippled beyond recovery, the two sides announce a cease-fire the
>following
>day. Although Swedish records indicate the planes origin to be in the
>area
>of Great Britain, no nation ever takes credit for the Nightwraith
>strike.(Source unknown)
>
><End Quote>
>
FIRST POINT...SOURCE UNKNOWN. So it is taken as scripture but has no
intrinsic reliability.

>
>Two, those pesky commandos. In sounds like what they did was a general
>bump
>off the brass operation. If they were unidentified, that means that they
>weren't killed or captured,
Not required... there are many sources of unidentifiable troups. They
might not have even known who they were. Black market equipment,
commandos with no SIN....the fact that they were succuessful indicates
they were good(and or that they had magical back up that the defenders
did not have.) {Now why would the immortal elves want to end the war
quickly? ;) }
>and therefore very good. Again, someone with
>good resources, either a country, small evil
<<<<or unconventionally good>>>> they did stop a major war.
>group of individuals, or
>very>powerful individual could recruit/hire/blackmail/etc into doing
this.
>
>The third part is those pesky planes. The exact quote is "Swedish
>airspace
>monitors detect several flights of what appear to be...". This means
that
>they were identified on radar. I just finished a radar class, and I know
>that radar, especially air-control radar doesn't give you a picture of a
>plane.
Military radar will tell you know. Airspacemoitors could have used lower
tech as well...they might have seen them with their bare eyes. (Hmmmn...
doesn't show up on radar but a bunch of reliavle people saw them. How
many Dragons would it take to do an illusion of several flights of
planes.)
>This is all done by computer.

Or by visual IFF training.
>

>
>Of course, another scenario is: what if the planes never existed? People
>said that the planes stayed in the UK that night. Only the Swedes
>detected
>them. No one shot them down, any of them, in the middle of the war. Then
>they disappeared again. Seems almost impossible. Sherlock Holmes,
>eliminate
>the impossible, and the improbable is the answer.
Impossible? Hardly my dear Watson! with Magical cover it could be a
simple matter to get the planes in and out with no other sightings. I
dare say I've known groups that could do that in 2057 against borders
with much better magical and techno security that Europe of 2033. At
least with an individual airplane.


>out by saboteurs. You try to figure out what happened, and along comes a
>message about some planes spotted.

But what physically destroyed these sights? Nukes...don't think so. US
made cruise missles? British made air launched munitions? Left over
soviet Agicultural explosives? They all leave identifiable residue.
Dragon Fire?

Only if you know to look for it. Ditto: Fire elementals, toxic spirits
etc.
How hot was the Magical investigation Tech in 2033?

Note, that the above unreleased message is the only available source of
info on the topic. Unless it was say Dunkelzahn acting without backup
the there are a lot more people that know what really happened.

The real question is why don't WE know any more?

>
>
>So am I too paranoid or not enough?

Not even close to enough....

Shadow Prime
>
Please forward

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