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From: Brian Moore <mooreb@****.FAC.COM>
Subject: Re: Talismongering
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:41:16 -0400
Joshua Bell <joshbell@**********.COM> said:
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> Joshua Bell replied:
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> Brian Moore replied to josh:
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> >Would you post to a BBS asking for a bank that was willing to allow a
> >$300,000 cash withdrawl on short notice in one month?
> >
> >Of course in a real SR world, you ***WOULD*** get hit the day you finish
> >by another runner team intent on stealing the Orichalcum. Anyone that
> >buys copper, silver, mercury, and gold radicals is obviously going to
> >make Orichalcum shortly after obtaining the materials. I'd pay a
> >runner team 50knY to steal 200knY worth of Orichalcum. It's just smart
> >business. Orichalcum is untracable, extremely valuable, and easily
> >resold.
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>
> Geeze, and I thought I was paranoid.
> If that is how your GM runs things fine, but it only costs 44,000Y for
> the 4 units of radicals (FoF p. 107). This is NOT 300,000Y, and is an
> average amount of nuyen for a runner to have (at least for my campaigns,
> and it is close to the published average Shadowrun payment <35,000Y>).

I was comparing 300knY in cash to the Orichalcum you were making. In other
words, "posting on a BBS that you are looking for a bank willing to allow
a 300knY cash withdraw in around a month" is equivalent to "talking to lots
of talismongers looking to buy the big 4 radicals". In both cases, you are
advertising that you are going to have a lot of cash (or equivalent) in
about a month.

And I'm not nearly as paranoid as the other main GM in my group. He's on
the list, maybe he'll give a few examples of exactly how paranoid he is.

> Really, if I was in a game like that I would have my buddies hang around
> for the last day or two of the month and then have them guard it, for a share
> in the selling price of course. (and since the entire team is there the mage
> /shaman can use HIS/HER and the Teams Karma pool for additional sucesses.)

Exactly what I do, but they usually get foci created from the Orichalcum.
And the other main GM doesn't usually allow using karma for extra dice or
rerolls during Enchanting tests. I consider myself lucky that I can
Center for Success. If he did allow extra dice through Karma, I'd go from
8 units average to 15+. I can see why he doesn't allow it, talk about
abusive.

> This works because if the cycle stops (Even an hour too soon, its worthless).
> It is, IMHO a more noble way to make money then some high ticket wetwork and
> it works in campaigns if not abused (i.e. only used 1/year for a large
> purchase like lifestyles, libraries, etc.)

Actually, if someone steals the whole batch, another enchanter can pick
up where you left off as long as the transfer takes a couple hours or
less.

And yes it is a good way to make money. But there are even more abusive
ways to make money using Enchanting. A decent enchanter can make a Force
3 Power Focus in a week or two, worth around 300knY, or 90knY at 30%
"wholesale price". There really isn't a good way to handle PC enchanters
given how easy it is to create IMHO significantly overpriced foci. IMC,
my mage is the only PC enchanter, and he only makes foci for the members
of his (PC) Initiatory group. He charges for the foci, but usually less
that 25% retail cost and time spent bodyguarding.

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