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From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Do you all jump to conclusions, or is it just for me? (long)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:03:38 -0400
At 08:23 PM 5/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 01:58 PM 5/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> While you and most of the sane world may agree that this is stupid and
>>won't work, this does _not_ mean it is an invalid concept. Within the
>>framework of the SR universe it was well thought out. Most of us, it would
>>seem, don't agree that it would work, but that is something else.
>
>No Katt, this flesh hurling concept *wasn't* well thought out in the
>framework of the SR universe or the rules. It quite simply cannot work,
>and displays to me either an ignorance of the rules (which is totally
>acceptable to be truthful) or a willful discarding of certain rules with
>the application of others, which isn't acceptable to me.
>
>It was at best an ignorant idea (which, again, isn't bad in and of itself)
>and at worst a full-blown munchy concept worthy of being torn-apart.
>
>Of course, let's just say for a split second this idea could work. How in
>the frag could this cyber-regenerating ninja target the astral form? He'd
>have to have astral perception! Otherwise, forget it, this ninja is
>hurling chunks blindly, hitting walls instead of the astral beings.

Well, right off you've demonstrated that you haven't paid attention to a
damn thing. You accuse others of being rules lawyers who don't even know
the rules, and you deprecate them. Now all of a sudden you can't even read
an email properly. Pot, kettle.

The ninja was a physad, and had astral perception. And was therefore
astrally active, and was therefore able to target astral-only entities, and
interact with them. It is then _possible_ that the freshly scooped
initially astrally active flesh would remain so and damage an astral
entity. It is an interesting and sick idea. Furthermore, it definitely
contains the prime component required, WILLPOWER. Anyone who would submit
themselves to this just in order to have the chance to attack at astral
target at range has got to be stinking mad, and with a willpower of 6+, all
of which would be behind the attack.

I think it is an interesting idea, and would perhaps work as a one-shot per
week item, even with regeneration and pain resistance, with severe and
immediate penalties on the character to balance. It doesn't deserve the
attacks it has recieved. I think this list needs to grow up. I've said it
before, but I'm going to say it again, dammit. Accusations of muchkinism
and the constant attacks on ideas are out of place. If you think this idea
won't work, say it won't work because... the flesh would instantly become a
passive astral entity, not active, and therefore not interact. If there is
a rule, point to it, but people need to get some manners. The self
important and patronizing tones need to go, they anger even those who are
not the intended targets. Perhaps people are playing with rules for the
sake of an interesting idea, and you have NO BUSINESS JUDGING THEM because
of it.

--DT

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