From:	David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Do you all jump to conclusions, or is it just for me? (long)
Date:	Tue, 12 May 1998 15:08:25 -0400

At 01:21 PM 5/12/98 -0400, MC23 wrote:
>
>Manifest spirits are dual natured. Since they now exist on the material
>plane you cannot use that as reference for purely astral forms. That is
>why your approach fails.
>
Except that the adept is "manifest" in the astral plane via astral
perception. It isn't a 100% compelling argument, or even close, but there
are some similarities.

>
> That was a spark that could still be extinguished. Once you have
>given up hope of that it is a flame. Demosthenes Three's reply returned
>the insults and that could be considered the start of a flame war. Maybe
>that is a very biased opinion but If it didn't start a flame war, it not
>really a flame to me, it can still be taken back at that point.

I agree that Demosthenes 3's reply was also caustic, but you seem to say
that he then started any war. It seems to me he was just replying in kind,
which while not totally defensible, is more reasonable than actually
starting the round of insults.

It doesn't really matter, the point is I wish everyone would be just a
little more hesitant to attack the people as well as the ideas.

>
>> Some discussed the aura of the chunk but most missed the fact that the
>>ninja was astrally active in the first place. Also, the freshness of the
>>separation from the body puts into question the conclusions of others on
>>the list (IMO). Others discussed the idea, and insulted and attacked the
>>poster at the same time. Why? Who gains from that. If you are having a
>>bad day at work, take it out on a wall or deal with it with someone who
>>knows you and presumably cares, don't attack people on the list you don't
>>even know.
>
> Don't tell me, I didn't make those omissions in my replies. Scold
>the ones who did and were nasty about it.
>
This wasn't aimed specifically at you, MC23, it was sent to the whole
list, for all to read. My use of the word "you" is meant to address the
readers, and among them those it applies to. I've made no specific
accusations, but I believe those on the list recognize their own words and
know who and what I'm talking about.

--DT