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From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Same-Sex Marriage in 205X (was Re: Sex and the single
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:14:44 -0400
At 07:10 PM 5/12/98 +0000, you wrote:

>> Just to branch this subject off in a completely different direction,
>> has anyone had any characters who were married?

Had my main PC get engaged, but the fiancee got murdered about a month
before the marriage and the subsequent retirement from the shadows.

>Yep. Arianna (currently my main character) is married to Katie, a
>female bisexual cat shapeshifter, and it seems we're going to be
>adding a Carib pirate and a ghost to the mix in the near
>future.....the ghost is a former teammate who died (you know who you
>are ;) ) while pregnant......

Arg.

I guess you guys just have a different gaming style...I won't say anything
more than that.

But it does bring up an interesting question.

In our current day and age, for whatever reasons (which I refuse to discuss
for the sake of the list), same-sex marriage is not legally sanctioned by
the US government; it's not considered to be a legally binding contract,
like "normal" marriage is. I don't know what the current situation in
Europe is, but from what little I know homosexuality is at least legally
accepted (don't know about societal acceptance), but I don't believe
same-sex marriage is considered to be the same as "normal" marriage.

Would this have changed in 205X? And please specify what nation you are
referring to, because attitudes on this subject are likely to be colored by
national perspectives. Also, please leave your own prejudices at the
electronic door; I have my own thoughts and well, prejudices, on this
matter but I'm not going to introduce them to the list or this discussion.

I don't see it happening in the US anytime soon (RL time). With all the
Chaos of the Awakening, it could easily have been ignored or forgotten in
all the other more important matters. I would suspect that it might have
become and issue again starting in the late 2040's.

SR is a world full of hatred, which is mostly directed at different
metatypes. Color is no longer as important in the scheme of racism.

But sexual preference is something else entirely and cuts across racial and
gender lines. I suspect it would be one of those prejudices that is still
around in 205X.

I would tend to think that Seattle 205X still doesn't have any laws on the
books saying that same-sex marriage is legal. It might be an unspoken
thing, but not legally binding and on the law books.

Hell, there probably are "gay rights" policlubs and even "gay
terrorists."
Now that has some possibilities for a very different sort of
shadowrun...I'm not positive all my players would react well to having
their PCs hired by a gay rights activist for a shadowrun, but the concept
is interesting.

>Ari and Katie just (last night's game, AAMOF) performed an odd and
>lengthy ritual to transfer the ghost fetuses into their wombs and get
>pregnant (Katie was luckily in heat :P ).....

Again, I don't really want to know.

>Anyway, any thoughts on how a four-way marriage like that would work?

It wouldn't. A three-way is considered to be a "cool" fantasy for young
men and an increasing number of women. But I have never heard (either in
personal experience or on the radio) of a three-way that didn't end up
destroying the relationship.

So a four-way marriage has a chance of about one in an American billion. A
marriage of two people is hard enough with all the emotions, thoughts,
jealosies, fights and so on. Multiply that a few times with four people in
the relationship.

Might be fun for one night/weekend, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to
even think about a life time like that.

Erik J.


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