| From: | Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM> |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Re: Sense Link and Free Spirits |
| Date: | Mon, 25 May 1998 03:54:17 EDT |
dghost@****.COM writes:
> >Actually, "Sense Link" can be used for such.
>
> Is it stated By-The-Book somewhere I missed or are you saying since you
> can assense through it you cast spells through it? (just wondering)
I was using the reference of "Sharing all of the Spirit's Senses" as if it
were a "spotter" for the ritual concept. So effectively, yes. BTW folks, as
far as anyone has argued up, this does technically count as "LOS" between
targets, even without Ritual Magic.
> Ok... I was messing around wiff the Beastmaster "Tradition"(?) from the
> collected Nagee (which is a source of a couple of other questions :) and
> had this idea of a character riding a dragon (or Wyvern ... doesn't
> really matter since it's just theoretical :) I was wondering about how
> to "realistically" do this ... Since a spirit can manifest in any shape
> and a physically manifest spirit can manipulate physical objects (to I
> don't know what degree :) so could a spirit act as a mount (aerial or
> otherwise) for its summoner?
OH Hell yeah...it would be kind of awkward, and personally I would have the
magician make certain s/he is on -really- good terms with said spirit. One of
the screwier things I ever did was put an Ally into a Horse and then went
riding around whipping off flame thrower-like spells and Urban Renewal....(it
was fun while it lasted anyway :)
> The Grimmy states that you can use a human host, but not a sentient host
> ... so I assume it means dead humans are hokey dokie :) ... This stemed
> partly from reading the NAGEE ... Beastmasters can bond with Paranormal
> animals and was going to try to define them as Ally Conjuring Adepts and
> hope things work out better (I didn't really like the NAGEE version) ...
> I hope this doesn't turn into ANOTHER pet project ... that would be the
> fifth? The other part of this question comes from Contructs in RM, and
> other things elsewhere (I think I heard them referred to as Automatons?)
> ... Mechanical Constucts magically animated ... Generally look like suits
> of armor that move kinda funny. :/ (the standard homunculus bodies would
> be Golems)
Ah, you would have to ask my roommie Mike about "Herc's Coat" and Ally
Inhabitation. I always got a kick out of that actually...
> :/ Yeah, but "Just so" rules are really annoying ... I don't see why if
> you state the paranorm's powers aren't gained you couldn't have the
> paranorm form ... (But then again ... do you want free spirits in
> Jugernaught forms even without any paranormal powers?)
Ah come on, it could be fun.... ;P
> >IF GEASA rules are followed, potentially not, but By-the-Book, yes, s/he
> >becomes a mundane (Burnout).
>
> Hmmm... but are the Magic Points really gone? When said Mage summons the
> 6th spirit, if s/he becomes a mundane and not all the Allies go free are
> the remaining ones still bound to the magician and if they just go back
> to the native planes does the magician get the Magic points back and
> become a magician again? (I'd assume no)
the nastiest answer yet. NO! Those points are gone, and even with Geasa
"Rehabilitation" (as I call that special quest trick for Initiating to get rid
of Geasa), it still wouldn't be quite the same.
> I was thinking of making this as a replacement for the Beastmaster in the
> NAGEE. Perhaps at a 15 BPs (or a B priority), the char can do more with
> allies than is normally allowed? (the char -Would_ only summon one type
> of spirit ...)
I am not sure If I would allow this, as ally spirits are strange to begin
with. Perhaps if you listed some of your suggested "more with allies"
thoughts....
> >Animal Form is by animal (critter) type. Human Form allows for
> variation, but
> >the stats are the allies regardless of form, beit Troll or Dwarf or
> Human
> >Baby...
>
> Once again, where do you get this from? :) (I just want to know for
> reference) The descript in Grimmy uses a singular tense but is not
> definative about it ... :)
Grimoire; second edition. Animal Form is listed as "a specific animal" and
Human Form talks about the ability to assume any humanoid form, within the
given ranges of "Humanoids" known at the time.
> Actually I was suggesting only using powers the spirit has already ...
> (ie a Fire Elemental in Hell Hound form could use Flame Projection and
> Fire Immunity because it has those in normal spirit form [actually I
> don't know if it has the Immunity to fire, but it should, IMO], but a
> Water Elemental wouldn't because it doesn't have those powers normally)
> but re-reading the descript, the spirit can still use its powers normally
> so If ya want a hell hound, just make the spirit a Black furred Wolf and
> voila (almost). :)
It's easier just to have generic description mods and other strangeness occur
to "normal animal forms" with spirits. We've noticed that the
"Mutant" tables
technically do work with "Normal Animals" also...
> >Please read ... "Striper Assassin", you will get ideas...
>
> Aww... you gonna make me work for it??? ;) actually, -IF- I can find that
> book, I'm pretty strapped for cash ATM :(
>
> I was thinking about a char (not a PC) who had the a Spirit hide its life
> in him/her (haven't decided yet) and was wonder how much control the
> spirit would have over the char or if the char would still be free-willed
> ...
You might consider the "Loa" rules from Awakenings then, Willpower contests
and the like...
> >> Wow... talk about more questions than answers ;)
> <SNIP My Sig>
> >Yeah, but no problems with any of 'em... :)
> Show off ;)
Not yet I'm not... ;p
-K
