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From: 'K' is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: VR2.0
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:45:19 EDT
In a message dated 5/31/98 2:32:49 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> >Actually, we used the SR-Comp to try and pull this stunt off. It
> -still-
> >couldn't make things they way you are suggesting. Remember that the
> number of
> >points is spread out amongst the Channels, not placed in any kind of
> initial
> >priority system. Also remember that regardless of the resources that
> are
> >aquired via the SR-Comp, the Otaku character does NOT gain that money,
> hence
> >the limitation to beginning cyberware.
>
> The cyber was max ever ... actually, now that I think about it ... I
> forgot about the Intelligence bonus bringing the task bonus up to +11 and
> 12 days worth of programming per day ... also you can allocate points
> from skills to the channels and that's how you can Max them out ...

AHHHH, I see now. You did the one thing that we immediately saw as being
"overwhelming" here. We don't allow for Skill Points to be allocated in such
a manner for a beginning Otaku.

> >It is the one place where the SR-Comp does NOT work effectively as a
> >comparison for a given "Archetype". There was a discussion on the
list
> a
> >while back about "Otaku" using the "Magicians" priority
table in the
> SR-Comp,
> >and the "Force Points" for spells (Full Magician requirement in this
> case)
> >being the "Form Points" for the character.
>
> Yeah ... I thought about that ... could work ... I'm sure most of the
> list members are sick of it :) so could you e-mail a (short) summary
> privately, if it's not too much trouble :)

Believe it or not, the above -IS- the summary of such. (giggle)

> >Sort of it would, yes. Except that if you are using First Ed rules
> crossover
> >concerning magical types and the matrix, it doesn't work that well. A
> PAD
> >would never make a good decker under those conditions.
>
> But according to Gurth, IRC the penalty was based on Magical theory ...
> so if the PhysAd never learns Magical Theory he's allright ... (what's he
> need it for anyway?)

THAT is a question that I will leave up to Gurth to explain out. As for my
personal opinions concerning Magicians and Matrix. I am going to withhold
such, as that is likely to start another really twisted conversation.

> >Please note that the Enhanced Centering was also simplified in the
> example I
> >gave (hence, the "Programming" option). It normally would work
towards
> a
> >Whole Category of skills (Technical, B/R, etc...). Just imagine putting
> >Enhanced Centering (Technical) into the fray of the decker who isn't in
> a
> >Combat Situation...
> Yup yup ... how about Enhanced Centering (Technical) for the group's
> PhysAd / Rigger / Decker? What's the centering skill? whistling ...(o/~
> Wistle while you work ... o/~)

Oh yeah, we've done this. You want to another one that nearly made us all
throw up here? A Magician gained Enhanced Centering (Knowledge) and started
using his "Computers Skill" as the actual Centering Skill. He was hermetic
and decided to do his design work on said machine. Yep, THAT was annoyingly
funny...

> BTW, If an Otaku is a Cyberadept, does the +1 apply to the Complex form
> _AND_ the options? (ie the Otaku pays for & programs a Attack 5 skulk 3,
> does the Otaku Get Attack 6 Skulk 4, Attack 6 Skulk 3, or choice of
> [Attack 6 skulk 3 or Attack 5 skulk 4?])

NO, the bonus comes -after- the program is purchased. Also, the rating bonus
has never been discussed concerning the "Options Ratings" on Programs/Forms to
my knowledge. Here, we only give the bonus the to the actual "Core Rating" of
the Program/Form.

> Also does a cyberadept's bonus apply to programming Sprites?

It applies to ALL Programming (Matrix most likely limitation, but it could be
read otherwise) activities, including making Sprites.

=K

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