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From: 'K' is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: T-Shirt Update (Sorry to Bug some here...)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:35:16 EDT
Okay folks, the meeting with Kay and Ken went well enough, but NOT enough in
my opinion...but hey, I have very high expectations here.

First of all, Kay gave me a price concerning the new pro-performance transfers
of theirs on gray and/or white shirts...50/50 prewashed starting at

$8.00 american, in sizes up to X-Large
+$1.00 american in larger sizes.

That is for a two sided, one color, printing. Two-color options, which might
get even longer in the decision making process for the list-folks is an
addition $1.20 - $1.50 american.

I tried on an X-Large myself, and I am not a small guy. Granted, I don't
believe I am as a large a guy as Tinner (no offense, just the truth). It
would fit, but I still like more than necessary room, so I'm probably going
for the XX-Large myself.

(Just how big am I???? ooo, that's personal. 5'11", 240 pounds, 50" chest
(suit size tells me so), 38" waist (according to my work slacks))

Kay also said the price -might- be lower, depending on how well she can works
things out. As much as $2.00 american lower, but NO ONE should hold their
breath on this one IMO.

Screen Prints

Okay folks, this is where someone should really educate me on the differences
of Screen Prints and Transfers. I'm not talking standard Iron-On transfers
here, I'm talking processed transfers. What exactly is a "Screen Print",
because two shops here in town both have informed me that the newer transfer
methods, if done professionally as ours are gonna be, are NOT any different.
One of those shops has been around on Campus now for years and doing just
fine. They aren't getting my business however unless they can get their
prices closer to Kay's. OR, you guys get on my case and claim you are willing
to pay more for Screen Prints ( a LOT more here).

Shirt Color

Found a bunch of reasons for the "not wanting black" thing. Aside from White
printing, most other color schemes do NOT stand out from the black very well,
and if the list decides to go with an image on par with Mongoose's, we do NOT
want black. I was going for the "Ash Gray" color suggestion myself. Again,
dark color shirts would require the screen printing, and that does cost more.

The trick is two fold here.

First of all, we need a minimum shirt order of 50 shirts. So far, I don't
know about what Drek has collected, but I've only got no more than 6 (ignoring
Mongoose' potential order of 15 for now :).

I dropped prints from Granite's stuff to Kay, and she has what I gave her to
use to gain more information. I kept the text from the website (Hacker House
Link) equal to standard VGA and did a screen print to the printer. That text
it seems will work just fine, and at that size/scale.

Other suggestions.

Mongoose is really working his butt off for those images (the Cog & Wheel)
design, and I personally think those were really good. My suggestion was to
have the "ShadowRN" design on both front and back, slightly smaller on the
front and off center (towards the heart side) and with the Cogs & Wheels of
Mongoose's running down the central shirt front. Kind of a "ShadowRN is where
my heart is found, this is what my internals look like" theme.

Granite's suggestion for text (columnar) will work out a LOT better than the
circular thing, especially when it comes to merging list names/orders and time
constraints.

Time is the next topic.

from the point the order is made, Kay is shooting for about 10-14 days to
completely feel all orders that are made initially. She is also leaving an
option open for us to come back and get even more in this manner, say someone
decides they want one after they join RN for this year.

Color of Printing.

I got in touch with Mr. Mulhillvil on Friday (snagged that guy good). He as
yet does NOT know what color the SR3 is going to be, but after I explained the
situation to him (and made a suggestion), he promised he would try and get
some "Cover Art" up to the website within a short while (I'm going to keep my
karmic fingers crossed here for the time being at least).

Mongoose and I are currently having a jovial little consideration as to whom
gets' to hand over the shirt(s) to Mike's daughter Clementine at the Con. Me,
I think I'm gonna win, but who knows. Granite, anybody, ideas, further
suggestions, what?

Payment Style

Okay, in everyone's security interest, I am looking at this. Kay and Ken
-WILL- accept individual payments from people on this, but NOT in the form of
Personal Checks. Money Orders or Cashier's Checks are available. Ken also
suggested Traveler's Checks in US Dollar values, but then the problem with
"change" being returned might get annoying. I don't know if they'd take a
Credit Card over the phone or not, as I didn't pursue that line of
questioning, giving how involved they were both starting to get on the
physical project side of things. And the concept of a receipt for each order
DOES exist in this manner, with no additional difficulty or complaints on
either of their behalf. Again, anyone International, I would have to have the
end payment in some form of US currency.

Shipping

Okay, Mike has told me that a single shirt, sent priority mail would cost
about $3.00 american to anywhere in the US. To the folks on the International
Side, I don't have that information as the rates would vary according to end
destination. I could look this up on the UPS side of things from work if
you'd like, but again I'd need destinations. Paolo, Tobias, Rune, Bira,
anyone....????

That is about it for now. IIRC, the voting on images begins on the 5th of
June and runs for a whole week at least. Image types need to be sent to Tim
(drekhead) IIRC so as to create a links page for the works.

=K

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