From:	Seth Fogarty aravthamis@*****.com
Subject:	A perfectly acceptable reason to test the new list...
Date:	Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:38:31 -0800 (PST)

---"Frank Pelletier (Trinity)" <fpelletier@******.usherb.ca> wrote:
>
> Okay,
>
> We all know how munchie a mage/shama can become once, if his
initiation
> rating is high enough, he tries to cram cyber into his body...
>
> So the question is this... We all know there are no rules against
> Mages/Shamans getting cyber... We all know all they must do is
leave a
> magic rating of 1 intact, and the initiations will compensate for
any loss
> (although I'm obviously talking about high-level characters here).

Keep in mind that, for most cyber-surgery, mages and shamans should
roll for magic loss due to surgery. Wired Reflexes is HIGHLY invasive.

> So, should roleplaying dictate the fact that a mage/shaman
> (goddamn...magic-user :) ) cannot get cyber? Should we ostracize
any player
> with munchie intentions, or, as GMs, make them hard as hell on them
to get
> cyber?

Totems probably won't like Shaman's as much, under SR3, there are
negative effects to Charisma for high-cyber people..double or triple
them for spirits and elementals, since it is especially abhorent in
someone who needs every bit of his aura to channel as much energy as
possible. Make initiation groups dislike him more, make initations
harder: he has defiled. There is certainly a stigma against mages,
ESPECIALLY initiates, getting cyber.

> I view with much doubt a Magic-user who intends to have himself
cybered-up,
> since it's obviously not a way to advance his character's
persona/story/etc,
> but a blatant move to boost his already formidable stats (we're
talking
> about a level 2-6 initiate) and powers...
>
> Isn't that the definition of a munckin? Can anyone justify a mage of
> perfect health getting cyber, in the name of "character development"?

Sure! My wolf shaman would LOVE to get hand razors. That corporate
security mage might feel fine about getting a radio implanted, etc,
etc. My wolf shaman, however, contents himself with forarm
snap-blades, and that corp mage will deal with a headset radio with a
subvocal mike strapped to his throat. The bodyguard mage might
sacrifice some of his magic for wired reflexes, but would probably
just get a spell lock/sustaining focus for increase reaction.

> I don't think so...
>
> *stands ready for the flames*
>
> Trinity
> ---------------------------------------------
> Frank Pelletier
> fpelletier@******.usherb.ca
>
> "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" -M. Gandhi
>
> Trinity on the Undernet and EFNet

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