From:	Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject:	Elf/Dwarf Transforms, Part 1 (was RE: Breeder definition)
Date:	Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:03:01 -0600

>> Okay. Now give me chapter and verse, since your answer didn't
>> help me or the discussion I'm having a bit, and it's not very
>> convincing as stated.
>
>Do your own research.

What gives you the notion that I didn't? I did a bit of looking around
before I asked, and I wouldn't have bothered asking if I'd come up with a
conclusive answer.

>look in SR2 It came to pass where it is talking
>about how the races came to be.

As I said, it's inconclusive. There were a lot of UGE babies born starting
mid-to-late 2011, after the first wave of VITAS hit, but it doesn't say
*anywhere* that I can find that there weren't also transformations. And the
numbers just don't add up without them.

>As for when I referred to the races existing prior
>to the Awakening..I meant Centuries ever Thousands of years prior.

Now show me some game canon to support *that*. There isn't any.

>> As I said (or at least implied) before: There's *no* way that
>> there are as many elves and dwarves in the world as there are
>> without *some* of them transforming as the mana threshold crested
>
>Problem is you will not be able to find -any- documentation to float
>that argument..I've tried..Or do you want me to list everywhere I
>didn't find it.

What the hell do you think I'm trying to do here, for crying out loud?
Jesus, how stupid do you really think I am?

>> There aren't *that* many IEs running about, nor can you convince me
>> that there were that many spike babies.
>
>Then why did you ask the question in the first place if you are not
>open to the possibility that your position may not be the correct
>one.

I'm quite open to the possibility. I just happen to want *proof*, which you
have to this point not provided. You've provided a hypothesis with perhaps
two lines of text to back it up.

I never said I had even that much, for the record, which is why I'm on this
particular trail right now. My gut and common sense tell me that there had
to be a wave of such transformations.

>> There are too many old elves running around for all (or any,
>> for that matter) of them to have been born since 2011.
>
>IN the beginning I agreed..but without being able to prove it..ya just
>have to make it up for yourself..And chalk it up to one of those
>little details that got overlooked when they were creating the SR
>universe..

Well, until someone can offer solid proof that I'm wrong, I'm continuing to
run my world as if there were a wave of elf/dwarf transformations since
that's the only way FASA's numbers can make any damn sense.

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