From:	Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject:	Elf/Dwarf Transforms, Part 3 (was RE: Breeder definition)
Date:	Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:32:42 -0600

From: Jordan
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 8:58 AM

>> >> ... Were there transformation into elves and dwarves to start
>> >> with?
>> >
>> >Nope..they are born that way..or existed prior to the awakening..
>>
>> Okay. Now give me chapter and verse....
>
>*Clears his throat with an ausible 'Ahem.'*

Ah, hell. Here we go again....

<snips a large chunk of text from the rulebook which I'd already read>

>[SNIP the rest of the article, which deals with gov'ts dealing
>with (meta) humanity, and the rest of the book, which deals with
>everything else, and you should go buy, if you haven't already.
>*stern look at the gentleman who asked for this*]

Yeah; I had the same kind of discussion back in 1990 when I started playing
SR1. What gives you the (incorrect and foolish) notion that I haven't read
this?

And if you want to make friends and influence people, don't be so fucking
condescending next time. All it does is piss me off, and that makes me
really hard to deal with. I can be really bull-headed when I'm pissed off.

>There....is the rulebook Canon enough, and is this versed enough for
>you? I don't mind doing this, but the meaty part of my left hand is
>now cramped. Please look these things up on your own.

Again, I ask: What is it that makes you think I haven't? All that stuff
you quoted, which I've read many times before in many of its incarnations
(all of them, in fact, if memory serves), does not conclusively tell me that
elf/dwarf transformations did not take place. It tells me that they could
have and the rest of the world really had other things to worry about at the
time, but at no point does it say that they didn't occur.

>Now then, with that said, that is all that I found on metahumanity
>in the history section of the book, and it mentioned nothing about
>dwarves of elves transforming at puberty, or anything of the kind.

Precisely my point. Why did you bother dragging it out, then?

>FASA may have the demographics wrong, but who cares? They've done
>enough already.

I do. And I know I'm not the only one. It happens to be one of the things
I pay attention to, and it figures into my game a lot.

>Your answer to the argument in your group: *SMACK* the person
>in your group who said that they goblinized over the head with
>this email....and a carp, just for the fun of it :)

Sorry, I'm not into self-abuse (or maybe I am, if some of the things I get
involved in on this list are any indication). I *am* the one who brought it
up in my group.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.