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From: Brett Borger bxb121@***.edu
Subject: Elf/Dwarf Transforms, Part 2 (was RE: Breeder definition)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:51:18 -0500 (EST)
> >Nope... there were a few spike babies, but elves and dwarves are born, not
> >goblinised.
>
> They are now, but there's nothing explicitly stating there wasn't a wave of
> (for lack of a better word) goblinizations at the beginning of the mana
> cycle.

Um, you find the fact that they list Elves and dwarves as UGE births,
and Orks and Trolls as goblinization, but not that E's and D's WEREN'T
also goblinized a lack of proof? Seems like you are simply reaching
to try and prove your conclusion by saying no one has proven
otherwise, despite tons of circumstantial evidence...

I know there was a blip in SR2 about this near the race descriptions,
in the same place where half-breeds are denied...I don't have my book
at work...

> >Your figures are out because elves and dwarves started being born
> >just after the turn of the century. 10 years later, UGE started.
>
> Er, no. According to the history recorded in SR2 (borne out by Captain
> Chaos in SR3), UGE births began in 2011, shortly after the VITAS plague and
> shortly before Ryumyo appeared on December 24. Births before this are spike
> babies, as the term is used by most of the characters in the source
> material, and there apparently weren't enough of them to cause a panic.
> *That* happened in the Year of Chaos, 2011.
>
> It doesn't mention other transformations one way or another; I want
> concrete, canon proof that my position is false. And I can't find any.

Goblinizations happened some years after UGE births.

> >The oldest non-spike elves would be hitting their mid/late-50s in SR time.
>
> Okay....now explain the *old* elves. The ones who *look* like they're old.
> Zessler in PRIME RUNNERS, for instance. An elf at 50, who was born an elf,
> would appear in her early 30s at worst.

I know 50 year old humans who look 30, and 30 year olds that look 50.
Not everyone has to fit the perfect rule...

-=SwiftOne=-
Who doesn't fit many rules, perfect or otherwise

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