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From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: THANK YOU!! (Re: Simsense and Astral Perception)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:55:46 -0700 (MST)
Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
/
/ Okay, I'm not trying to be a real dickhead with this one, but quite frankly,
/ the argument you presented, and in some manner or direction, what *most* have
/ been presented has run into a calamity of sorts, at least IMnsHO (I *like*
/ that Arkham...)

Fair enough :)

/ My reasoning is that certain Bioware/Cyberware does in fact effect the
/ intelligence, which does in turn reflect upon the solidity/strength of the
/ Astral "Personae" (my choice of words here, sorry).
/
/ Additionally, IF the concept of Astral Perception or Projection were a
/ "spiritual" or "astral" thing, then the concept of
"MEMORY" would immediately
/ come to the front of the action. Think about this, I'm very serious. What
/ you (David in this particular case), is that the concept of memory involves
/ the (physical) mind, and Shadowrun has even backed this current theory up
/ (Mnemonic Enhancer and the IMS implant).
/
/ There is some reflection therefore upon the mind of the magician, the
/ physical, recollective, mind of the individual that is using the Astral
/ Perception abilities. It is being translated into something that the mind of
/ the magician is capable of comprehending.

...that's one mighty persuasive arguement. In fact, it completely
demolishes my arguement. Well done.

However, I might have another one :) If nothing else you can educate
me as to the error of my ways ;)

What if the problem occurs at the point at which a Simsense recorder
records.

IMO simsense records perceptions at one of two points. Either at the
point between the sense organ and the brain, or at the point after which
the brain has processed the information.

If simsense records perception as perceived by the sense organ then there
is a valid explanation as to why simsense won't record astral perception.
With the sense of, say, sight, the simsense recorder records the neural
impulses of the optic nerve. When it plays it back the viewers optical
lobes are stimulated with those signals, allowing them to see what the
actor sees, not what the actor perceives.

If this is the case then simsense recorders can't record astral perception
because their is no identifiable neural impulses between the astral "eye"
and the brain to record.

An arguement for this is that if a simsense recorder records directly
from the brain, the "perception" as it were, then I could see conflict
developing as viewers experience the actor's perceptions. Looking
through someone's eyes is one thing, looking through their mind is
another.

And while I will agree that simsense records directly from the brain
when it comes to emotions, I don't see that as a conflict. Emotions
are different from perceptions. If the view feels anger he is free to
associated with it as he pleases. If he perceives the world as the
actor, he would (IMHO) feel very disoriented.

Okay, you are free to commence demolition :)

-David B.
--
"Earn what you have been given."
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ShadowRN GridSec
email: dbuehrer@******.carl.org
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