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From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: APDS and Smartlinks
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:30:03 +0100
According to Elling Polden, at 9:25 on 25 Feb 99, the word on
the street was...

> I did not read the original APDS text, but would like to say something
> on this ammo. Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot ammunition is currently
> used by larger caliber weapons like Tank guns or Autocannons.

Almost true... Since the mid-1980s or so, hardly anybody has used APDS
anymore.

> The smallest Subcalliber type armor piercer I have heard of is the .50
> SLAP ammo used by the US Marines. The principle is that you fire a
> subcalliber round (The SLAP uses a 5,56 projectile) cased in a sabot
> that is discarded once the round leaves the barrel. This allows the
> projectile to gain extremely high velocities and thus penetrate better.
> I realy doubt if this type of ammo would be any usefull in smallarms as
> the subcaliber round would be very small. In a 5,56 AR round it would
> maybe be the size of a needle or thin nail. It is however, unlike what
> FASA claims in SR3, a antivehicle ammo. If it was going to be limited in
> some way it should have -1 damage level against personnel.

Which is a kind of ammunition that exists already, and as used 10 years
ago for the Steyr and AAI entries in the Advanced Combat Rifle trials of
the American armed forces, and in the 1960s (IIRC) for other trial
weapons. Not much more than a 1.5 mm diameter needle with four fins at the
tail end (imagine a very thin throwing dart) fired from a rifle-sized
cartridge case.

However, looking at the artwork in the Street Samurai Catalog it appears
to be more like the 4.32 mm saboted bullets used in the Serial Bullet
Rifle trials held by the US Army in the 1970s. This consisted of a 4.32 mm
bullet held in a 5.56 mm sabot contained in a normal 5.56 x45 mm cartridge
case. (XM19 and adapted M16A1 rifles were used, BTW.)

So, both types are possible for SR, and looking at the performance of APDS
in SR I would think it's the second type I described -- i.e., a true APDS
round rather than a flechette or APFSDS.

> Further I think the SR3 Armor rules are Crap

In what way?

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