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From: Paul J. Adam Paul@********.demon.co.uk
Subject: Heavy Armor
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:08:28 +0000
In article <01bd01be6687$37c30b60$0d3ef1cf@****>, Mongoose
<m0ng005e@*********.com> writes
>:They call it "shadowrunning" for a reason: get into the light and the
>:work dries up.
>
> The bulldog stepvan is described in the original RBB as one of the
>most common delivery type panel trucks on the market. If you are getting
>on peoples case about what seems (from a stealth AND getaway perspective)
>a logical vehicle choice, you might as well advise that they also not wear
>armor, not carry guns, and not learn magic spells.

If common vehicles need Big Weapons to deal with, cops will have Big
Weapons. After all, there are criminals beyond shadowrunners, and
there's only so many times that crooks can crash a Lone Star roadblock
in their Bulldog before Lone Star upgun to deal with it.

Just a fact of life.

>Sure, everything in
>its right place, but the fact is, most Shadowruns involve (the potential
>for) violence, and not being prepared for that is plane old stupid. I'd
>much rather my character have to hide a gun I did not use than need a gun
>I don't have...

Point is, you considered hiding the gun to be important.

The cops can almost always outgun you. The only way to win a gun battle
with the police is to break contact fast, before they pin you down and
smother you with numbers and firepower. Big Guns work for that... as
long as you remember they're there to help you run away and you don't
get target-fixated.

> I think this whole discussion spun out of control into the area of
>self congratulatory "anti-munchkin" back patting that ignores how
>frequently normal shadowrunners get attacked and how easily shadowruns
>turn violent.

I came in on the idea that you could drive around in a bulletproof
Bulldog van laughing at cops. Using a properly-marked or properly-
anonymous Bulldog to avoid attention, relying on its armour as a
_second_ line of defence rather than the first, troubles me not at all,
but if it's a common vehicle then it'll be commonly used by criminals
and the cops will have the means to deal with it.


> Shadowrunners almost never have the timetable or information needed to
>construct reliable "sneak in, grab, leave" plans, and ARE hired for their
>ability to deal with what happens when they encounter opposition. They
>get a good reputation if they cause fewer problems than they solve, but
>most employers don't mind a little boom and bang on the job- some (like
>Ares, or the mob) actually request it, and not just from their
>"expendable" unattached assets.

True: but, again, a firefight means you were noticed and being noticed
is bad for the life expectancy. Doesn't mean certain death, but it _is_
to be avoided if at all possible.

--
Paul J. Adam

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