From: | Scott Peterson herne454@*******.net |
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Subject: | Fw: Grenades and Explosives. |
Date: | Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:47:17 -0700 |
From: Scott Peterson <herne454@*******.net>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Grenades and Explosives.
>
>Neither do I, but modern grenade launchers do fire in quite large arcs
>(40x46 mm grenades weigh in the order of 200 grams, and have a muzzle
>velocity of only about 75 m/s) which should make hitting a point target
>more difficult. Still, IIRC with an M79 it's easily possible to put a
>grenade through a window at 200 m so hitting close enough to a person to
>count it as a direct hit in SR should be doable.
>
>Anyway, SR's mini-grenades are lighter and thus probably faster, which
>would make them more accurate. I simply use them as any other firearm, as
>a direct-fire weapon, but with the option of using indirect fire if the
>player wants to (so far, I don't think anyone has).
>
>
>The thing is Gurth is the GL's in 2060+ still using low pressure launch
>techiniques, are the ring airfoils, do they use balistic propellant has
>never been said.
>
>The M-79 and M-203 use low presssue and thus the loud thump. I carried an
>M-203 for 7 years and was damn good with it after a year or so. Point
>targets (3meter target area) out to 300 were easy as hell to after you
>learned the weapon. Your right its a high trajectory flight path of the
>round, one main reason was in the 70's durring/after Nam the grunts that
had
>been there had complained that the Grenidier was allways thumping the round
>right over thier heads to hit point targets from support roll for a
movement
>to contact. They tended to stick the Grenidier further back to help stop
>blue on blue incidenets. Indirect fire roll of the M-79/M-203 type weapons
>has always been over rated. But heres why they teach you it. When your on
>the defensive on a hill top you tend to set up on the reverser military
>crest of the hill top. Tghat is the top and the bulk of the hill is
between
>you and the enmeny. Many reasons but the most important is they
shilouetted
>thems selves as they came over. When facing a deliberate attack for a
large
>gropu the Grenidiers would fire behind the approaching enemy to force them
>into the kill zone and haveing gotten that range when the enemy retreated
>they would lob rounds in on top of them causing more casuilties.. If you
>still dont the see the indirect fire application of a grenade launcher, put
>it away and geta mingun:)
>
>Now about rig air foils. Basicaly take a coke can cut the ends off it line
>with shot or prefragmented wire thenline it with explosives and then if you
>are low tech (like us now compared to shadowrun put a discarding sabot cap
>and create a low pressure feild for propellant. Like a standard grenade.
>Now the big thing here is that when you fire the cap drops and you have
this
>low flat trajectory projectile that spins. Hence better accuracy, longer
>range, and fast flight time and its point target accuracy is hot shit.
Your
>indirect capability is gone but for point targets out to 300+ meters its
>nice.
>
>Last I heard RL wise they had a 'less-than-leathal' rubber one for
>applicatins in riot control as far back as the late 60's. They were
working
>on a leathal one but lost the contract when Nam heated up and they had to
go
>with the M-79 and its famil of ammuntion. I do know they made a 75mm
>version for a recoiless rilfe for l;eathal applications so it stands to
>reason they could have them for the M-203 if they wanted them.
>
>Ok Non rl You could line the explosive with a propellant and make is a ram
>jet (scram jet) type munition....Nasty recoil but kick butt range andfaster
>flight times and more.
>
>Speaking of flight times last I recall the shadowrun combat phase is 3
>seconds right??? well at 75 meters a second if your target is outside 225
>meters the ronud wont hit till the middle of the next 3 second phase:) Use
>that one on your thumpers.
>
>
>Ok have led up to this but what if the GL's of 2060+ use propellant....this
>brings upalot of questions. From the pics of the MGL series weapons I
think
>they have propellants but the ruels say they have indirect fire ability.
>So that makes me wonder.
>
>Any way more ammunition for the discusssion....and if you know where the
>spellcheck is on IE 4.90 tell me:)
>
>Is Scott tough? Yes, Talented? On occasion, Brave? Oh Certainly! He is
also
>erratic, irresponsible, accident prone and a constant threat to public
>Safety. The trick is to keep him pointed in the right direction.
>
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>