| From: | Ryan W. Bolduan emeottrw@***.umn.edu |
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| Subject: | A couple of Questions (2nd Question) |
| Date: | Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:58:59 -0600 (CST) |
> AAA corps are not the only ones with extra-territoriality. Some of the AA
> corps, like Trans Neuronet (sp?) out of England and some of the Tir corps
> are ET. So is Boeing I believe. The criteria isn't how many countries they
> are in, but a somewhat complex formula including, but not limited to, how
> big they are, how many pies do they have their hands in, etc. IIRC Lonestar
> Sourcebook says that it is either ET or getting pretty close to it.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. It should have read, AAA corps and
those with international status. That's what I read just three days ago.
I'm sure there are plenty of both, but there are still others that don't
fall into the above categories. I'd have to pull out LS to see whether
they're ET or not too.
>
> Assuming they are, it doesn't really matter as much where the crime is
> committed as to who has jurisdiction over the prisoner. Lone Star normally
> doesn't incarcerate long term anyway, the government still does. But LS was
> (in 2054) starting to get more contracts for running the prisons too. And
> if they are ET, then the prison becomes ET, which means that tehir
> constitution, not the UCAS (or CAS or whatever) is in effect.
>
This is one place I have to disagree again on some points. First of all,
in all those federal prisons that do not fall under corp control (of which
there are some) do have to follow the constitution, and therefore are
answerable for whatever they do to criminals. As for those that are corp
run (LS or otherwise), if they are not ET it again means that the
constitution applies, and therefore answerable to federal laws. If they
are one of the corps that claim ET statsus, you're right, in the most
simple terms they can do whatever the hell the want.
On the other hand, (and this just may be my opinion), it never is really
that simple is it?? The last thing I heard is that the country is still
structured the same as now. I'm going to assume for now (and later I'll
take the other side) that the people belive that the punishment is cruel
and unusual. The politicians (elected by the public) have to take that
into consideration, and contrary to popular belief, they really do. If
they don't set up some kind of agreement with the corp preventing cruel
and unusual punishment, they have an angry population, and are elected out
of office until somebody does prevent it. I would assume that if the
population belives a punishment is cruel and unusual, some kind of
provision would have to be made in the contract with the penal provider
(I've always wanted to write that).
On the other hand, if the people are currently for cruel and unusual
punishment then perhaps it would be the other way around. They would push
to have the ET corp do whatever they wanted. Of course this again assumes
the corp has ET standing. Another example is the military, I'd assume
they could do whatever they wanted as well.
> If you are convicted of some kind of terrorist crime in the US, you do not
> lose your constitutional rights. Some rights ARE curtailed for being a
> convicted felon, such as voting rights, right to carry a gun, home location
> for those on probation, etc. But AFAIK there are no "terrorist laws" that
> put you into a special group. Unless you get the death penalty, and then
> you don't worry about what happens after you're out.
That's what I always thought, but according to a post by somebody else on
the list (forget who) this is not the case. I've forgotten, what
countries/states still have the death penalty? Just because of the nature
of the areas, I'd assume the CAS still carries the death penalty.
> One of the tactics mention in LS was to hook up an IV and a simsense rig
> (not datajack) and let them veg for years. Or even worse, make them THINK
> that they had served years when it was only months. Shadowtalk says that
> this is impossible, and also that it was already being done.
I remember that...but ugh, (see previous argument about cruel and
unusual), if that isn't cruel and unusual, I don't know what is. It all
comes down to the provider itself and whether it's ET or not.
> I don't know that you have to go through all of that trouble. First, in SR3
> wards are a lot cheaper to set up. You put one around each cell , just
> inside the walls of the cell. If they try any agic, or try to project, they
> have to go through the ward. You task one Watcher every three hours to
> alert the guards when any ward is disturbed. This is fairly easy and
> shouldn't disturb the guards too much. For the most part, this should keep
> them under watch as long as you don't let them out.
>
> When they first arrive, take that good old ritual sample and let them know.
> If there are any disturbances in the ward, poof, something bad comes down
> that ritual link. That will keep just about any mage in line.
I forgot about the ritual link, but hiring a bunch of mages to act as
guards can get very expensive very quickly, and if I remember correctly,
there is no real profit in running a prison (other than for the
invoulntary test subjects). On the other hand, FAT bacteria isn't cheap
either. I agree with the previous poster that suggested the entire thing
be sealed underground. What if the entire prison were constructed out of
a cave system? It would have a high barrier rating to prevent digging,
etc. and would provide natural barriers for magic spells, thus less cost
in maintaining security methods. I still think giving each mage a lock or
link to the astral plane to allow astrally projecting mages to ground
spells through them would be a good idea (screw SR3, I still like the
original grounding rules).
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http://cda.mrs.umn.edu/~emeottrw
A person concerned with such important matters as I, need not, and should
not, attend to spelling.
--Napolean
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