| From: | IronRaven cyberraven@********.net |
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| Subject: | Value and so on.... |
| Date: | Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:38:27 -0400 |
>What I was advocating was that you already have a group that is the
>strongest armed force in your society: the army and police forces. Give them
OK, so who will watch the watchers? The media? A bunch of money and
glory driven dogs who can't even be bothered to tell the whole story, not
that the average moron on the street cares to hear it. The politicians?
Show me a politician and the federal or state level who has never abused
power, and I'll show you someone who has only been office for a month.
>the responsibility of ensuring security and freedom, and use ethical
>training to ensure that they do the job right.
What happens if the dogs choose to bite the sheep? I hope you like
chains, because they might not be on you, but they would be on your
grandchildren. What you rae proposing is akin to Japanese occupation of
Okinanwa, the actions of the Vichy government in WWII, and the USSR in
Hungary. Are any of these the US gov? No, but there is a historical
precident for the species, and a few within our own country. Some of the
most bloody attacks on Native Americans by the military occured against
those who had moved onto reservations and were required by the local
military commanders to turn in their firearms.
>Objectors to this should take a few seconds to consider the problem of
>opposing the army as it is right now.
You seem to continue thinking that a guerilla force can immediately engage
regualr forces in a stand up fight. That is crap, pure and simple. YOu
see a tank, bolt. See a chopper, get under cover. See a squad of guys
outside your safehouse, turn around, hope none of them recognized you, and
write of the lost equipment.
Also, if Ameirca was to desolve into a military crackdown, within two
days, there would be missing men and equipment. I'm not talking an
infantry grunt with a rifle. I mentioned some table top exercises
concerning a "military suppresion of an internal state of emergency within
the contenental United States". There were some psych tests done on
memebers of the services to figure out what percentage of what units would
go AWOL. A quarter to a half of SOCOM (that includes folks like SPecial
Forces, Rangers, SEALs, AF special ops, etc) would disappear. So would
about one in ten Marine. Some of these folks know where the US military
stores stuff in case of extreme emergency. (In Europe and the US, the
military layed in caches of equippment, so that in the event of
conventional push by the Warsaw Pact, units that had gone to ground could
form reistance cells within days. Problem is, for various reasons, there
have been constant and credible rumors that some of the caches are
"misplaced".) They also figured that about a gfood chunk of the Guard and
state/local law enforcement would be a wash.
Part of this is, they calculated, correctly IMO, that many people would do
exactly what you are suggesting- taking on heavy weapons back units that
have full communications. Loosing proposition.
CyberRaven
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"Once again, we have spat int he face of Death and his second cousin,
Dismemberment."
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