From:	Dennis Steinmeijer dv8@********.nl
Subject:	Value and so on....
Date:	Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:49:11 +0200

Gurth wrote in his infinite wisdom:
> According to IronRaven, at 7:52 on 16 Jul 99, the word on
> the street was...
>
> > For our non-US members, most of you are not citizens, you are subjects.
>
> Bullshit. I am a staatsburger -- literally translated, a "state's
> citizen." And I am to be treated exactly the same as anyone else in this
> country, whether citizen or not, with the exception of members of the
> royal family.
>
> > Look it up in your legal codes. In the courts, you ARE subjects.
Oxford
> > defines subject, in this tense as "under the power of authority".
Your
> > governments recieve no authority from you at the most basic levels.
>
> ??? Please elaborate, I don't understand what you mean at all.

This is clearly an issue of generalization. Oxford might define anything
Oxford wants, it still won't have any bearing on the Dutch court. Anyway,
you are getting stuck up on somantics dating back several hundred of years.

Dennis

"Abashed the Devil stood,...and felt how awful Goodness is..."