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From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Skipping Black Madonna.
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:54:50 EDT
In a message dated 8/12/1999 11:05:34 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
Twist0059@***.com writes:

> In a message dated 8/12/99 4:29:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be writes:
>
> > I must agree on the technological leap though and that's something that
> > bothers me. Because I have some players who have a lot of time to spare
> > and read a lot of the SR novels. The problem then is that they consider
> > everything they read as a fact in the world of shadowrun and this has
> > caused more than one discussion already.
> >
> > Any one of you had these trouble.
> >
>
>
> Oh, come on, don't give me opportunities like that to start ranting on the
> SR
> novels again. (Notice I didn't bring up DHS, so I showed constraint, oh
> damn......)
>
> One thing I found truly odd about the whole Black Madonna book was the
> mention of Leo's Otaku doing some "Great Work" that seemed connected to
the
> Horror-thread. Now, it's been mentioned before in SR novels (WWE, I
think)
> that the Matrix would be some help in the coming battle. Myself, I can't
> see
> it making any sense. Anyone else?

Why certainly Twist, and if you would pay attention, that "Great Work" is
much bigger than that, and includes the reasons that Hestaby (mentioned later
on down the road) was involved. And yes, the Matrix would be an IMMENSE
help. There is a comment made by Harlequin in *one* of the books (I don't
recall which, VR2 maybe?) that the Matrix wasn't around the last time and
that this world's exchange and exploitation of information/knowledge was FAR
in advance of the last.

Additionally, for all they'd like, the Horroi cannot do anything in the
Matrix unless they partake in the forms necessary to do such. Examples of
this would have to include...

Horror Marked (Sense Link) options with targets. And if I understand Sense
Link correctly, being damaged by Psychotropic and/or Black IC forms would be
just as detrimental to the Horroi as it would the Marked target.

Possession of said being that is using the Matrix link ... again, potentially
damage to not only the Host, but to the Possessor as well.

Direct, physical, implantation of cybernetic hardware. Hmmm...I know the
Horroi are into pain, discomfort, torture and the like, but NOT to themselves
directly. And besides, what street doc is going to perform that on a subject
that is not likely to have a simple, consistent, enough materialization level
to perform that kind of surgery upon. Additionally, I see the Horroi, being
a spirit-type being, not able to even have such surgical modification(s)
performable upon themselves.

Furthermore, do you remember the concept that the "Blood Elves" took upon
themselves? Those mergences with the Wood/Thorn? Matrix/ASIST interface
creates a simsensual/RAS override situation concerning concerning direct and
indirect sensation. In order for the Horroi to "feed" off of their victims,
the victims have to be feedable upon (I know, those last two words are a bit
strange). Individuals like Otaku and BTL-users might suddenly have a whole
range of options in dealing or combating the mind/perception altering powers
of the Horroi.

Sure, the Matrix isn't going to provide much protection against a directly
physical altercation. But against some of the other stuff ... I'd say it
would make for an interesting weapon.

-K

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