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From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Second Hand
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:58:08 -0400
At 17.02 09-03-99 -0400, you wrote:
>embassy in every other country. That's over 22,000 embassies world-wide!
>The CIA and State department don't just have to keep track of the Chinese

I am well aware of the number of embassies, consolates and attache's
offices in the world. And each one of those is a soverign territory of the
nation who they represent. Attacking one is just like attacking that
country or one of it's vessels at sea- an act of univited agression, and
thus a declaration of war. (Look, I don't care if you want a fight or not,
some pin head takes a swing at you, are in a fight even if he didn't
formally tell you.)
As for your argueemnet about they "don't just have to keep track of the
Chinese", I can probably find the mailing addresses of every Chinese (or
any one elses') representational office in North American and Europe in
about an hour. I've got to do a web search. I'm willing to bet money that
the CIA, DoD, StatDep and the FBI ALL have those lists in hard copy in
thier librbaries.
When you engage in these kinds of actions, one of the first choices has to
be "do we blow the crap out of the capitol", and if the answer is
"yes",
then you make list of the embassies in that city. IF they bolong to an
allied (or worse, neutral) country, they go on a big list of "things not to
shoot at".
During Desert Storm, we hit targets near to embassies of non-involved
countries (Sweden, the Swiss) without the advantage of things like GPS
guidence systems for bombs, but instead with laser tagging from aircraft.
I can not believe that (a) we didn't know where the Chinese emabasy was,
nor (b) we could have missed a target by over a mile with a GPS-guided
weapons system.

>buildings), its entirely possible that every time one of them moves there
>is a lag between the move and when the maps get updated.

They don't get moved over night. So taht tehy can continue to provide
services, they usually anounce several months, if not YEARS ahead of time,
and they tell everyone- thier foreign ministry, the press, the locals,
thier travelers and buisnesses, thier webpage. Moving an emabssy is not
like moving a household. They have literally tons of sensative items that
must be securelly moved, security arrangements ot be made, and emergency
action plans that must be written up ("Uh, boss, the embassy in Tehran is
reporting that people are storming the main gate.").
Trust me- you know when one of these damn things gets moved.

>the tech, it was with the human planning that assigned the target in the
>first place.

These days, EVERYTHING goes into a database, and is cross checked with the
"don't shoot list" of locations, and then is hand checked by several
humans. I find it harder to believe that anyone was actually stupid enough
to target it, than I do believing that FIVE TO SIX levels of review
(typical for airstrikes in urban areas, particularly ones crawling with
Western media with uplinks) failed to notice the error.


Kevin Dole, aka CyberRaven, aka IronRaven, aka Steel Tengu
http://members.xoom.com/iron_raven/
"Once again, we have spat in the face of Death and his second cousin,
Dismemberment."
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
your philosophy."

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