| From: | Joesph Kerian jk1@*****.polarcomm.com |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Second Hand |
| Date: | Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:29:52 -0500 |
>> Let's not forget our wonderful SACEur....
>Do you REALLY have any evidence for any of this, or is it just political?
(well-known,
>or ADMITTED politically biased magazines and such do NOT count. Using
normal standards
>of journalism.)
Okay, this discussion has gone pretty far afield. So if there are
responses, let's move over to private email, but I feel a need to respond
to a credibility challenge in a public arena.
Depends on what you're asking about. If you're talking about the Asia
thing, check out Fox News. My quote was a commentator putting words in one
of the player's mouth, the quote wasn't quite that direct (at least it
wasn't in Newsweek). His resignation in the face of insubordination by 2
American and 1 British generals/admiral regarding an order to attack the
airfield came across AP. Let me see what I can find....
Okay, from the Dept Of State:
http://secretary.state.gov/www/briefings/9908/990802db.html contains a
reference to a Newsweek article. Incidently, that's an excellent source to
learn how to handle official-speak for your games. That denial sounds
kind-of.... too official.
After a couple more minuites of searching, I got this:
http://newsweek.com/nw-srv/issue/06_99b/printed/int/eur/ovin0706_3.htm .
Although the article was fairly sympathetic to Clark, somehow implying that
he isn't a political general just as much as his replacement(The last
paragraph doesn't count), here's the quote:
"At the end of the war, Clark was so anxious to stop the Russians from
stealing a march to Pristina airport that he ordered an airborne assault to
take the field before them. But Gen. Mike Jackson, the British commander on
the ground in Kosovo, wouldn't carry out Clark's orders. Subsequently, a
frustrated Clark asked Adm. James O. Ellis Jr, the American officer in
charge of NATO's Southern Command, to order helicopters to land on the
runways so that the big Russian Ilyushin transports couldn't land. Ellis
balked, saying Jackson wouldn't like it. "I'm not going to start World War
III for you," Jackson later told Clark."
The AP had a similer article [07-29-1999; Page: A06; Section: News], which
I can't seem to find a copy of (at least one that I won't have to pay for).
The AP tells a slightly different story, but the critical element, the
order to drop armed aircraft on Russian-held territory (in the AP they
combined the two orders,which mislead me) in a hostile action, remains the
same.
If you don't feel these articles say what I said they did, I really don't
think it's worth arguing about anymore. :]
>> No, Madeline needs to be thrown out, and quickly. She's too
political.
>> Pres Clinton allowed her to pick and choose assignments based on the
>> advancement of her political career. Although this may make sense to some
>> people, it doesn't look good for the country. We should at least have the
>> illusion of being equally interested in the rest of the world's problems.
>
>This is in relation to Warren Christopher, and a SecState who was little
more than a
>stoolie for his boss (At least, that's how I saw Baker..I was 7 when the
Gulf War
>happened, so...). Also, Albright has ACTUAL diplomatic experience, as UN
ambassador
>(and I think some else. I forget.)...Unlike some of the last few.
No arguements about her experiance... but IMHO she should have stayed in
that arena.
--Joe
Crater, Dwarf Magician
"Dwarves can't fling spells eh? Chummer,
you've been playing too much AD&D (9th Ed)."
