| From: | Jacob Machinov steel_machine@*******.com |
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| Subject: | Candor |
| Date: | Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:04:12 PDT |
>>Obviously not here or you wouldn't need to ask
>>this question.
I've been right here.Until recently I haven't had a forum in which I could
express my opinions.Sorry I am not as big as a geek as you. Computers are
something that I am still learning about.Websites like these aren't exactly
advertised on the news.I only recently came across this site while
blundering through the web.
>>Wrong. The new books do more than just reprint your
>>old SR1 & SR2 books. Remember that Shadowrun is
>>set in a living world. Time has marched on significantly
>>since your 2053 version SR2 was printed. These changes
>>are reflected in alot of the new product.
No really? You don't say? By the by my version of SRII is 2060. So it does
more than reprint my other books? Fine. What? What are these new changes.I
don't expect you to reprint the damn book- I own them anyways. But what
makes III that much better?
>>Nothing has changed here. Nothing in SR3 limits the
>>creativity of GMs and players. If anything I feel SR3 has
>>enhanced the flow of the game.
I'm glad it enhances your game. I'm not saying the third edition limits my
game. Nothing but my players and I do that. What I am saying is the third
edition marks what I see as a change in the direction in the game
itself.FASA is starting down the road that TSR has made so popular: heres
the main book, you can use it on its own, but really you need this book in
order to have these rules and this book for these rules....and so on. How
long has it been since FASA has really printed a "color" book? And don't
give me the Arcology ADVENTURE. This is what concerns me. That the people
who buy the game are shifting from the game to the game mechcanics.
>>Granted. No complaints here.
Gee thanks.
>>Now it's here that you ignorance of SR3 shows.
>>Those of us that have been around the block
>>for the previous editions will tell you that combat
>>and munchkinism is alot harder in SR3.
>>I remember the good ole days of letting loose with an Ingram
>>Smartgun on full auto and dropping five guys with one burst.
>>This is unlikely to happen in SR3. Dice Pools only refresh
>>at the end of the combat round and NOT each pass as
>>before. A lot more lead flies around without hitting anything
>>in SR3 but when it does it hurts.
Sorry I think thats garbage. I personally see the opportunity for even more
of that sort of thing. Especially as we emphasize the rules more and more.
>>SR3 has gone out of it's way to ensure that everyone
>>gets a fair go in most situations, especially combat.
>>I've played games of SR2 where I didn't even bother
>>drawing my weapon in a combat situation because
>>I knew that the enemies would all be dead long before
>>I got a turn on a low initiative number.
Sorry but that sounds like a personal problem.
>>All of the previously printed sourcebooks are still usable
>>under SR3, especially the 'colour' books. No game
>>mechanic change can make this material obsolete.
I didn't say they were obsolete. I didn't say that the change in rules
invalidated these books. I said that they are a dying breed.
>>Wrong. It'll cost you the amout of the core rules in your
>>country, nothing more unless you choose to purchase
>>new products. They are not necessary for play.
Wrong. I want cyber and bio I need Man and Machine. I want the new rules I
need the companion.If I do not want to have a bunch of unsupported books I
need the new ones. I hope you don't think that they are just done printing
them after they spit out the five or so they have announced.It gets
exspensive after awhile.
>>Your loss then. I assure you learning SR3 is worth every
>>bit of time that you invest in it. It is a much better game
>>than previous editions.
Again I have to wonder.Some things are good. A lot are just---there.
>>Hey there are plenty of players out there content
>>to stay with SR2. Link up with them and you're
>>fine. Otherwise drop the $30 and leap forth into
>>the best version of SR ever.
True enough in some ways. Unfortunately there isn't a glut of players around
here.Thats niether the here nor now. And yeah I dropped the thirty books
when they first published the third edition.
>>It's worth it. I assure you again.
Like I said. Maybe.
>>Urrrghh SR4, please don't rush making this one FASA. SR3 is just fine.
Some of us said the same thing about SRII. But hey I agree. Lets see where
third edition leads us.
>>There is so much that you miss out on by not
>>upgrading that I can't do it justice in one email.
>>If you check out the logs from the last year you'll
>>find that there has been plenty of change.
I will definitely take you up on that. I have seen some good things here. I
appreciate your candor, and your comments.
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