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From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Source Vs. Rule (was... MM on SOTA somesuchcrap)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:28:01 +0100
According to Augustus, on Tue, 31 Oct 2000 the word on the street was...

> 1) Why should players feel a need to come to the internet for help? Yes the
> net is here... yes its big and covers alot of stuff... its great for sharing
> ideas... but you shouldn't utterly feel compelled to log in to better enjoy
> your game.

Agreed, but OTOH I also agree with Keith's remark that, if you don't have
enough information, you make something up that works for you.

> And the net is slow, to a degree... if I come in here and ask a question
> about something from the old books... its a crap shoot if I get an answer...
> let alone a correct answer. And even if I get an answer, it might come in
> 2 or 3 days later (I started playing shadowrun in 1989, I got all the
> books... I still ask questions... and alot of them don't get answered in
> here at all)

Unfortunately, it's the way the list works these days :( It used to be that
you asked a question and fifteen different people gave you about ten
different answers, all of them more or less right. Now, it seems a lot of
people are losing interest in the list altogether...

> 2) This one is hard to say delicatly enough... but oh well... so I'll just
> say it outright... there is alot of really shitty politics going around the
> online shadowrun community.
> Obviously I can't go in to details since it would just get me kicked off
> this list, banned from #shadowrun and probably unable to do anything in the
> dumpshock forums... so I'll just leave this as enough and with a wink say
> "you all know what I mean"

You would not get kicked off the list. It's what people always think, but
this isn't a dictatorship where you're only allowed to say what the leaders
want you to.

I take it you are referring to the fact that many of the more prominent
listmembers write for FASA as freelancers these days, which at times causes
a bit of a split between those "in the know" and those who aren't.
Unfortunately, this is also how the list works these days, IMHO. Way back
when, doing anything at all for FASA was about the highest thing we on
this list aspired to, when it came to gaming anyway -- just look at
the line in Doom's ShadowManiacs theme song: "We want play-test-ing
contracts!" I don't know if it's true, but I certainly got the impression
FASA ignored us; then Mike Mulvihill took over as line developer and we
started seeing a change. Mike uses freelancers, which I don't think Tom
Dowd did (much) and apparently decided to tap this list as a reserve of
them. It's a logical choice, but it _has_ changed the list, and not entirely
for the better IMO.

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