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From:	shadowrn@*******.com (shadowrn@*******.com)
Subject:	To tell children
Date:	Wed Sep 12 07:25:00 2001

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In a message dated 9/11/01 9:02:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
shadowrn-request@*********.com writes:

I have a beautiful young daughter who, fortunately, is too young to
realize that anything is going on. But I'm curious about what those of
you who do have children old enough are telling them? What do they
think? Am I getting too personal in this?

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Iridios

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Message: 31
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:56:08 +0200
To: shadowrn@*********.com
From: - <pbem23@***.net>
Subject: re : oh my god
Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com

At 09:04 11.09.01 +0200, you wrote:

>i once again send my heartfelt
>condolences to those who have
>lost loved ones , or have been
>affected by this disaster , do
>not give in to the hate that
>would cloud your rationality
>and objectivity
>
>KANNIEMEERNIE korperaal
>i am at a loss for some
>comment to cheer , and think
>it not appropriate

I could´nt say it better.

so eveon if it is a me too
Condolences and stay calm,

Simon

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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:05:38 -0400
To: shadowrn@*********.com
From: "L. Christopher Paul" <lcp@****.sh>
Subject: Re: [OT] What do you say...
Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com

New to the list, just wish that I could have found something less horrid
for my first post...

As this is the second time that someone has asked me this today, I don't
think it's too personal. At least if it is, it's also necessary.

I've two daughters, 6 and 8. It was not easy to sit them down and tell them
what had happened, but with my wife and I talking about it, it was either
that or lie to them.

"Some very bad people did some very bad things." With an brief explanation
of what happened. I let them see the smoking buildings but tried to keep
them away from the pictures of the bodies falling/jumping from the
buildings and ones being carted to the hospitals.

I haven't been able to discuss it with mine it (age 7), it would almost be
funny if the situation weren't so sad because I've been wanting to talk to
her about such things one of these day too, because I don't want to have her
act like some of the people we've seen everyday let alone like the people who
committed this act of violence.

I'd probably start with that some people are violent either because they were
born that way or because they got brought up that way or because they are
sick in their heads. The people who did this thought this act would achieve
some purpose that would do them some good, but they were ignorant of the fact
that violence solves no problems in the long run. That instead if they had
treated their fellowman as they wanted to be treated they could have achieved
more than by this act. That this is an example of how bad it is to commit
violence (Although personally I admit I might have no objection to seeing
some new deserts where capital cities should be I'm sorry to say).

(Okay, that used to be true, but now it's a lie. The world just changed.)

No, the world is the same. Maybe some people will come out better for this
though. It's a sad thing to realize sometimes that there is so much hate in
the world.

What do they think? Can't say I know at this point. I know that my oldest
is thinking about it--thinking about what's going to happen next. I guess
it comes down to uncertainty.

Only other thing that I know to do about it is just to let them know that I
love 'em and that it's going to be okay.
Just wish I believed that last one myself...

Bryan
p.s. please excuse the mess this might make on the list.

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<HTML>In a message
dated 9/11/01 9:02:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
 shadowrn-request@*********.com writes: 
 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> 
 I have a beautiful young daughter who, fortunately, is too young to 
realize that anything is going on.  But I'm curious about what those of 
you who do have children old enough are telling them?  What do they 
think?  Am I getting too personal in this? 
 
 
-- 
Iridios 
 
 
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Message: 31 
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:56:08 +0200 
To: shadowrn@*********.com 
From: - <pbem23@***.net> 
Subject: re : oh my god 
Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com 
 
At 09:04 11.09.01 +0200, you wrote: 
 
>i once again send my heartfelt 
>condolences to those who have 
>lost loved ones , or have been 
>affected by this disaster , do 
>not give in to the hate that 
>would cloud your rationality 
>and objectivity 
> 
>KANNIEMEERNIE korperaal 
>i am at a loss for some 
>comment to cheer , and think 
>it not appropriate 
 
I could´nt say it better. 
 
so eveon if it is a me too 
Condolences and stay calm, 
 
Simon 
 
 
 
 
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Message: 32 
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:05:38 -0400 
To: shadowrn@*********.com 
From: "L. Christopher Paul" <lcp@****.sh> 
Subject: Re: [OT] What do you say... 
Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com 
 
New to the list, just wish that I could have found something less horrid 
for my first post... 
 
As this is the second time that someone has asked me this today, I don't 
think it's too personal. At least if it is, it's also necessary. 
 
I've two daughters, 6 and 8. It was not easy to sit them down and tell them 
what had happened, but with my wife and I talking about it, it was either 
that or lie to them.</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
 
 
 

<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> 
"Some very bad people did some very bad things." With an brief explanation
 
of what happened. I let them see the smoking buildings but tried to keep 
them away from the pictures of the bodies falling/jumping from the 
buildings and ones being carted to the hospitals.</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
I haven't been able to discuss it with mine it (age 7), it would almost be
 funny if the situation weren't so sad because I've been wanting to talk to
 her about such things one of these day too, because I don't want to have her
 act like some of the people we've seen everyday let alone like the people who
 committed this act of violence. 
 
I'd probably start with that some people are violent either because they were
 born that way or because they got brought up that way or because they are
 sick in their heads. The people who did this thought this act would achieve
 some purpose that would do them some good, but they were ignorant of the fact
 that violence solves no problems in the long run. That instead if they had
 treated their fellowman as they wanted to be treated they could have achieved
 more than by this act. That this is an example of how bad it is to commit
 violence (Although personally I admit I might have no objection to seeing
 some new deserts where capital cities should be I'm sorry to say). 
 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>(Okay, that used to be true,
but now it's a lie. The world just changed.)</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
No, the world is the same. Maybe some people will come out
better for this
 though. It's a sad thing to realize sometimes that there is so much hate in
 the world. 
 
 

<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> 
What do they think? Can't say I know at this point. I know that my oldest 
is thinking about it--thinking about what's going to happen next. I guess 
it comes down to uncertainty. 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
Only other thing that I know to do about it is just to let them know that I 
love 'em and that it's going to be okay.</BLOCKQUOTE> 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Just wish I believed that last
one myself... 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
Bryan 
p.s. please excuse the mess this might make on the list. 
</HTML>
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