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From: shadowrn@*********.com (BD)
Subject: Cloning and Bioware
Date: Fri Sep 28 15:50:01 2001
--- Dan Turek <danturek@*******.com> wrote:
> Everyone seems to agree cryogenics would work by 2060 - what are people's
> view of cloning in 2060? Obviously you can clone parts, which means
> basically the whole body.

To clarify, in SR you need to clone the whole body to harvest one part.

> I think I read (in one of the older editions) they
> still had a problem developing the nervous system to maturity (and it
> couldn't be quick grown). Of course, that was written before all the
> media
> on stem cell research. Since bioware exists that could replace as well as
> enhance the nervous system, does anyone think anything other than
> brain-death is truly inoperable?

Lots of things are. Cancer's still a bogeyman in SR times, and VITAS is
no picnic either. If you mean losing parts of the body, then maybe you're
right, most things are replaceable. The thing is, most folks don't have a
spare clone hanging around that they can pluck parts from... DocWagon
clients might, but the general populace probably won't ($415 per month is
damned expensive for most people). So while cloning might be able to fix a
bunch of things, it's out of reach for a lot of folks.

> I'm mainly asking since in my campaign one
> character beheaded an NPC with a monowhip (eight successes on a surprise
> action) and in the old rules the person could NOT be brought back.
> However,
> a person in the NPC's group found him within two minutes and would have
> cast Stabilize (even if it was pointless) and a monowhip should leave an
> exceedingly clean cut....

I'd say that use of Stabilize would have been pretty illogical... you can
do what you want, I guess, but even magic has its limits. The guys might
not bleed from his neck anymore, but he woulnd't be getting any oxygen to
his brain, either... :)

> On a different matter, what would the laws regarding clone rights be? Or
> the opinion of the average citizen?

None. They're not considered human, according to Man and Machine.

> What would a clone have - obviously the Physical Attributes of a person,
> but
> would it have the same Magical abilites, though latent, since it is in
> the
> DNA? While mages and shamans have to train to use their powers, would a
> physical adept have to?

A clone of an Awakened person cannot be considered magically active,
according (again) to M&M.

> If your base body has bioware, and after it has set in you clone that
> body, would the clones have the bioware since it is genengineered?

Naw, I wouldn't say. Bioware's still a foreign entity to the body. I
don't know anything about genetics, but it sounds dodgy.

> I would assume the mental attributes would start at 1 for a clone, but
> could
> develop over a long span of time, say one point per year. I don't think
> skillchip or BTL tech is advanced enough to give memories though. What is
> the popular opinion?

My opinion is, clones are meat, non-sentient. The force-growing
procedure removes all chance of humanity. That's just a layman's thought,
though. :)

====-Boondocker

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