From:	sp@*****.gr (Stefanos Patelis)
Subject:	The new SR4 map (removed spoilers)
Date:	Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:19:57 +0300

Steve Garrard wrote:

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>While some here would argue that none of this matters because it's a game, a
>storytelling exercise in a fantastical world, I would argue that while I
>agree with that premise up to a point, there is the ever-present "suspension
>of disbelief" that Kori mentioned. This is a term often used in Hollywood
>pertaining to action films and the like. There is only so far you can push
>the envelope of what people are willing to accept, in spite of what they
>know, before they're all gonna start walking out of the theater. Hollywood
>has the advantage of special effects to further stretch this boundary
>(Independence Day, for example...big floating spaceships are ridiculous, but
>they looked kinda cool and blew s**t up and we forgave them because of the
>eye candy).
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>But when you start asking people to believe that something has not only
>caused California to split from the continent, but also that this was
>achieved in such an isolated way as to leave most of the planet unharmed,
>well...
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But surely all of this bogs down to what your advertise your film or
Game as...
If you come to my games wanting to have an explanation for everything
then you are asking for trouble, like if I come to your games and don't
want to have a "quick" reality-check everytime my character attempts to
do something.

I mean for crying out loud if someone goes to the movies to watch
Independance Day or Arnie taking on the Devil and he expects things ot
be realistic he is just asking fo rit...I am sorry but I can't see the
point. REalism is only one of the many facets that make up a _fictional_
story. The Core was trying to play with a scenario that seemed realistic
and I didn't even bother to go see it - just listened to others who
viewed it. But when last month I watched Mr and Mrs Smith and I heard
people coming out of the movies saying "That was crap- It wasn't
realistic at all!" well I burst out laughing...I would have doen the
same if people said something along the lines about Sin city or the
X-Men...It is fictional for crying out loud...And as long as it does not
try to be specific about why something happens but concetrates in plot
on "Ok this happens and these are the reactions of peopel around it" or
other aspects then I am fine. (Granted things like the X-Men are on grey
ground because some plots try to explain how things happened and usually
fail miserably)

I would really like to hear explanations on why people are happy to use
things like "Oh you now have a Moderate Stun wounds and a Light one and
your Trauma Patch heals three squares!" or "Hey at some point in life a
comet passed an Orichalcum came to be which needs magic to be created"
or "You know sometime in the 21century some humans grew tusks and pointy
ears-let's call it something!"...Really did you people sit down and
explain all these in realistic 20-21 century physics and maths before
you started playing Shadowrun?

Sorry but I am really loosing the plot here...
Stef

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