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Message no. 1
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****>
Subject: You voted?
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 18:31:16 EDT
>>>>>[Lynch, you voted? I thought everyone here was
-- Cybil <18:33:32/19-08-57>
Message no. 2
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:50:49 +0100
>>>>>[Cybil, are you kidding? I'm a government employee and commissioned
in the Marine Corps Reserve, for Chrissakes <g> Monthly salary. An
office in the D-ring of the Pentagon (it used to be a cleaner's closet,
and no, I'm not kidding). A Single Identification Number. IRS audits.
DMV registration. The whole nine yards.

I get stuck with it _all_ and it's all legit. At least, as Jason Running
Wolf Lynch, which is who I am. There's a few other names I use. But
you'd need to be as good as the deckers around here to prove they
weren't real people, assuming you knew which name to check at all <g>

But I was a good boy and I only voted once, as myself.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <23:50:53/08-19-57>
Message no. 3
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:18:15 -0600 (MDT)
>>>>>[Sinless? Hardly! I've got several SINs. They're extremely useful
for getting bank accounts, rental cars, etc.]<<<<<
-- Slash <22:16:55/08-19-57>

>>>>>[Of course, there are also those of us who always have been in the
light, as it were.]<<<<<
-- Valentine <22:18:28/08-19-57>

>>>>>[And a well placed bribe will get you almost as much as a real SIN
will, you two.]<<<<<
-- Foxey Roxey <22:19:07/08-19-57>

>>>>>[With that body of yours, and your looks? Frag, woman, all you need
to do is bat your eyelids and you could _own_ the car.]<<<<<
-- Slash <22:21:10/08-19-57>
Message no. 4
From: Craigtw1@***.com
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:28:55 -0400
>>>>>[There are many people, who do have SINs and have access to this
I'm one of them.]<<<<<
-- Maxwell Donelly (21:30:30 PDT/ 08:19:57)
Message no. 5
From: Daniel Sauve <josha@*********.com>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:41:17 -0400
>>>>>[I voted. I'm sorry to see my candidate
die.]<<<<<--Desolation Angel <04:39:56/08:20:57>

>>>>>[You voted Dunkelzahn?!]<<<<<---Dexter

>>>>>[Dexter, I've finaly figured out why me and Desolation hang with you.
You make us feel like higher beings.]<<<<<
-- Josha <04:39:56/08:20:57>
Message no. 6
From: sjwelch@******.net (Becky Welch)
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 08:43 MDT
>>>>>[It IS a shame my choice for president died. And, yes, SINs are rather
handy to have.]<<<<<
-- Cassandra <08:40:55/08-20-57>

>>>>>[Well, I don't have one, and I didn't vote, either. Not much use,
politicians never do what they promise, anyway.]<<<<<
-- Evita <08:42:28/08-20-57>
Message no. 7
From: jaimie.nicholson@******** (Jaimie Nicholson)
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:57:56 +1200 (NZST)
>>>>>[Please, defend us from politics.

And have any of you out there thought how vulnerable a SIN makes you? Every
time you buy something with your credstick, log on to a registered board,
take a leak in a public toilet or pass through a public transport
distribution point, they pick you up on their sensory systems. I never
touch credsticks, not after what happened to Meredith.]<<<<<
-- Squatter <08:40:55/08-20-57>
Message no. 8
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:05:57 +0100
>>>>>[No, Squatter, it's "Please defend us from *politicians*"

And who says I use my real SIN when I'm working? I didn't live to be
thirty-two by being *that* dumb, thank you. I'm about five different
people depending on the effect I want to create.

The hard part is keeping all the IDs warm: making the little
transactions that show it's a real person, not a carefully-written fake.
But then, if it were easy, everyone would do it...]<<<<<
-- Lynch <21:05:53/08-21-57>
Message no. 9
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:58:10 -0600 (MDT)
>>>>>[What, you don't use a credstick? How do get paid, then? Corp
scrip? No thanks. I refuse to place myself in another corps grasp every
time I want to buy something. Nowhere else takes the fraggin stuff.
Cash? Frag, the only thing I use cash for any more is bribes. The taxis
here in Seattle don't even like dealing with the drek, and I can't say I
blame them. Gems? Great, I'm surprised you're still alive.

If you don't use a credstick, it's no wonder you're a Squatter. Nothing
-- Slash <16:59:38/08-23-57>
Message no. 10
From: jaimie.nicholson@******** (Jaimie Nicholson)
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:25:34 +1200 (NZST)
>>>>>[What, you think I like being a squatter? I became a squatter
so I could get away with not having a credstick, and I always take my pay
in cash. I don't need much, so I can get by. And most important, they can't
find me, even though they keep trying.]<<<<<
-- Squatter <19:25:35/08-23-57>
Message no. 11
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:38:10 -0600 (MDT)
>>>>>>[Nothing personal, but if someone wants you bad enough, they'll
you. There are organizations in this world which, if you become enough of
a threat, will have you dead within 24 hours, wherever you are, whoever
you are, regardless of security precautions, how well you hide, or how
powerful you think you are.

I should know. I built one.

And I suspect one was responsible for killing Dunkelzahn.]<<<<<
-- Action Jackson <22:37:05/08-23-57>

>>>>>[And, if intelligence is any guage, you're working on building
another one....]<<<<<
-- Avatar <22:39:53/08-23-57>
Message no. 12
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 1:26:56 EDT
>>>>>[Nothing personal AJ, but regardless of the caliber of an
organization, they always make mistakes. If you want to hide, and you've
taken all the right precautions, you can make yourself fairly invisible.
And something VERY important to remember: if someone really wants you
dead, chances are there's another group of people who want you alive -- if
only on principle.

The trick is finding them in time. =) ]<<<<<
-- Tobias Dark <01:23:32/08-23-57>

>>>>>[C@** t_ stake yo%r life on that^Toby?]<<<<<
-- R!g#teous a~d Dan* <CORRUPT/CORR

>>>>>[Um, quite honestly, no. But this is what I've heard.

I've gotten to the point now where the only folk who want me dead are my
students and my inheritors. Vaguely dull, but I've never been the active
-- Tobias Dark <01:26:31/08-23-57>
Message no. 13
From: Evan Hughes <ehughes@****>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 1:28:31 EDT
>>>>>[Is there still that much cash floating around? Every bill I ever get
ahold of is in such drekky shape that virtually nobody will accept
-- Cybil <01:30:54/08-23-57>
Message no. 14
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:09:13 +0100
>>>>>[Got to agree with AJ, in principle at least. The trick is to avoid
being *that* much of an irritant: to make the consequences and the costs
of pursuing and eliminating you outweigh the benefits of having you
dead. But anyone can be reached, and you don't have to be Superman or
possess a megacorp's resources to do it.

Though I'd demur on one point: some of us would need thirty-six hours,
not twenty-four <g>]<<<<<
-- Lynch <10:07:53/08-24-57>
Message no. 15
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:27:48 -0600 (MDT)
>>>>>[Lynch, AJ's a bit older than you are and has some advantages that
most other people don't. And, before Velli came in and fragged with
everything, the Org prided itself on getting to someone, if they reached a
certain threat level, within 24 hours. About 260 ever reached that level,
and of them only 2 survived. Drake shouldn't have, considering the
strength of the vault he was in and the 6 stories of building that were
dropped on his head. And AJ wanted to take HAMMER himself, and was
personally outmatched. He should have let the rest of his people do the
dirty work, but didn't. I doubt he'll make that mistake again.

But don't quote me on that. (grin)]<<<<<
-- Slash <12:29:24/08-26-57>
Message no. 16
From: mneideng@**** (Mark Lafarga Neidengard)
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>[Well, if someone's got that much money to spend on eliminating
undesirables, then the obvious thing to do is deprive them of a name or face
to target those resources at. Few or no people can afford to make too much
noise with impunity.]<<<<<
-- Azrael <11:40:19 / 08-26-57>
Message no. 17
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:51:53 +0100
>>>>>[Hey, Slash, I agree with most of that. But then, there's problems
and there's problems.

Velli's left me pretty much alone (looks for some wood to knock, gives
up) because she got caught with her fingers in the cookie jar. Going
after me would be expensive, generate little profit, and start a few
conflicts that would be unproductive and unprofitable for her and her
corporation. No advantage, lots of costs. I'm replaceable, and my
replacement might harbour grudges too.

As for groups like the Org... well, the old Agency used to be like that
too. So are a fair number of groups now. It's always easier to destroy
than to protect. And the problem is, without an AJ at the helm, those
organisations - unaccountable, authorised to do as they wish - always
end up pursuing their own agenda, which is usually wealth and power for
the boss. Always.

I've seen it, and I've smashed it, too often in the past. No offence to
AJ, but groups like that are like riding a tiger: the only question is
when it turns on you. He should, if he hasn't already, investigate the
_real_ history of SIGA. The parallels are... disturbing.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <21:50:54/08-26-57>
Message no. 18
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:51:58 -0600 (MDT)
>>>>>[Actually, even with me at the helm, it started getting that way.
One of the multitude of reasons I left and became a surgeon again.

I know I'm dating myself, but anyone here ever heard the Leftover Salmon
song "Alfalfa's"? If you have then, this little fragment will make a
little more sense:

When I grow up, I wanna be an implant surgeon....+++++Include Music+++++

If you're ever in Boulder, Ute Sector, FRFZ, I highly recommend you listen
to the song and then visit the store. You'll understand a little better.

But Velli outmaneuvered a good many people, took control, and consolidated
power over Maxim and got a new subsidiary out of the remaining Org people
after the Big 8 got done chopping them up. It's almost too bad that she
was able to fight them off--I'd have fewer people I trained gunning for my
sorry ass.

And what's this about refering to me in the past tense? I'm not dead, you
know. I just happen to be nocturnal the vast majority of the time.]<<<<<
-- Action Jackson <23:53:07/08-26-57>
Message no. 19
From: "Paul J. Adam" <paul@********>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 02:10:29 +0100
>>>>>[Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I'm glad you got out of the Org when you did, AJ. And I think you
probably understand better than anyone why the Agency works the way it
does, depending on Nelsonian blindness from bodies who could pursue it
and shut it down.

Damn, I'm getting moody. Too much Doors, not enough Hendrix <g>]<<<<<
-- Lynch <02:10:35/08-28-57>
Message no. 20
From: ANGLISS BRIAN EDWARD <angliss@****.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:59:04 -0600 (MDT)
>>>>>[I'm not sure that power has to corrupt, although it certainly seems
to more often than not.

I prefer my version of the power quote: With absolute power comes
absolute responsiblity.

That alone explains a large part of the reason that I accuse God, or the
Gods, or the Being, or whatever which I think created the universe and
it's laws and then let it alone, of being responsible for everything good,
bad, or indifferent.

Needless to say, I don't endear myself to most organized religions
believing that. I'm glad I'm out too, although I'd rather have had the
Org go to Moriarity instead of Velli. He'd at least used it in a
reasonably responsible manner. Velli, on the other hand....]<<<<<
-- Action Jackson <21:56:22/08-27-57>

+++++ Engage Tracker: Bandito3 active: tracking....tracking....
+++++ Signal Lost, Bandito3 destroyed by smart frame.

>>>>>[Nice try, Nicole, but I've still got a good decker or four working
-- Action Jackson <21:58:19/08-27-57>

>>>>>[It's only a matter of time, Alex. Eventually, you will be
discovered, either by Maxim forces or by InterPol units. And when that
happens, your beloved Beta clinic and all your elaborate security will be
for naught.]<<<<<
-- The Chameleon <22:00:07/08-27-57>
Message no. 21
From: Dave Gladding <D.T.M.Gladding@*****>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 15:33:11 BST
>>>>>[How about:

'Power attracts the corruptible'

Merely to throw another thread into your debate.]<<<<<
__ JayCee <15:32:31/08-28-57>
Message no. 22
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********>
Subject: Re: You voted?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:33:30 +0100
>>>>>[Velli, your problem is that every time you, InterPol, anyone, gets
close to AJ, his friends will hold you off and bail him out. Whereas
when you go down, you'll die alone.

Neither threat nor prediction: just opinion.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <20:32:36/08-28-57>

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