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Message no. 1
From: "E.S. Brunsell" <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: aztlan
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 15:05:28 CST
>>>>>[Couch, the trip was fine except for that smuggling ship. It was a
heck
of a lot better than da belly of dat plane you had me in on da way to Europe.

Sorry if I got you ionto a tif wit da Doc, but da fraggin' French
dudes...]<<<<<
-- Gawk <15:05:33 / 03-13-55>
Message no. 2
From: "E.S. Brunsell" <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 12:32:10 CST
>>>>>[Hi, I just got the tid-bit from Piper. I tried to get some
information
on that plot, but it is real hush-hush like. I'm going to head over there
tomorrow to see what I can see. If you want to come with, meet me at
***LOCATION***

Warped Worlock, I found out where Hirisoto is staying. It's called "La Cassa
de Rojo" a HUGE and luxurious hotel in the Aztechnology Quarter.

See you all soon.]<<<<<
-- Frosty <12:30:44 / 03-19-55>
Message no. 3
From: Eric Brunsell <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 12:27:46 CST
>>>>>[Gawk and I didn't find out too much about that plot of land. It
looked
like a jungle, possibly synthetic. I saw a long windy PAVED road that led into
the depths. Gawk swears that he could see the outline of a tower or a pyramid
through the trees.

Did anyone else learn any more?

Worped Worlock, what did you find out about the Hotel?]<<<<<
-- Frosty <Br:rr:rr / Br-rr-rr>
Message no. 4
From: gpalmqui <gpalmqui@*******.HELIOS.ND.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 10:44:02 EST
>>>>>[Frosty, sorry we got back late. Brick saw that road paved road
and decided to investigate. You know how it is, Brick decides something
and it takes a Panzer to turn him around. Anyway, it was a pyramid, about
150 m up the road. There was some sort of security fence around the
perimeter, but I couldn't get a closer look. Brick set off some kind of
motion detector and sicced a couple of beasties on us. Made me wish I was
back home on my computer. They looked liked cybered Piasmas or something.
We just ran for it, even Brick. Maybe he isn't so stupid.]<<<<<
-- Mercy <15:16:15 / 03-21-55>
Message no. 5
From: Eric Brunsell <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 11:00:09 CST
>>>>>[Gawk and I went back to the Aztechnology Compound yesterday. While
we
were watching about 15 trucks with the logo "La Espada" drove by. A jeep also
passed us. In the back, you could make out a man handcuffed to the roll bar.

{Download espada.pix ...........
Download aztechpris1.............}

I did a thurough check in the matrix, and came up with a little about the
"prisoner" He went by the streetname of Dancer. He seemed to be a mildly
notorious decker. He was arrested by Aztlan for grand theft. (I believe thats
what the charge translates to) Dancer was turned over to Aztechnology for
trial and sentencing. It seems he stole something from them. Aztechnology
filed a report with the government saying that he escaped yesterday afternoon.

It seems that Dancer pissed off someone in Aztechnology and is being hidden
from his "Due Proccess" rights. (Not that they have any in Aztlan)

My guess is that this could be a sort of "correctional facility" for
Aztechnology.]<<<<<
-- Frosty <10:57:55 / 03-22-55>


>>>>>[I just looked up dat Espada place in da directory. It sez dat it is
a delivery company. Dey specialize in large hardware.]<<<<<
-- Gawk <10:58:33 / 03-22-55>

>>>>>[I forgot to ask, has anyone else found out anything at
all??]<<<<<
-- Frosty <10:59:44 / 03-22-55)
Message no. 6
From: gpalmqui <gpalmqui@********.HELIOS.ND.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:21:01 EST
>>>>>[O.K., Brick, see that plug on the end of the deck? Just put it
in the helmet. Got it? Now, turn the switch on and you can talk by
typing on the console there.]<<<<<
-- Mercy <10:02:47 / 03-23-55>


>>>>>[Heh! This is cool. What's all those lights? Everything is kind
of slow here. Jeez, bro, you look funny. Are you supposed to be that
lady of justice or somethin'?]<<<<<
-- Brick <10:06:35 / 03-23-55>


>>>>>[Yeah, Brick, that's the point. Everything is slow to you because
you aren't cybernetically connected to the desk. If you had the guts to
jack in like the rest of us, everything would flow more smoothly for you.
Also, you should get a small deck of your own instead of sharing mine]<<<<<
-- Mercy <10:08:58 / 03-23-55>


>>>>>[Don't you ever call be a coward again, Mercy. I've seen what the
Matrix did to your head. I'll stay in the world of guns and violence. Its
easier to understand.]<<<<<
-- Brick <10:11:30 / 03-23-55>

>>>>>[Well, down to business. Be quiet for awhile, Brick. Frosty, I
looked
into the correctional facility thing that you found out in the jungle. It
seems that Aztechnology has a problem with "escaping" prisoners. Whenever
a runner or something burns the big boys, Aztech somehow loses them. From
what I could find, most never show up alive. My guess is that they are all
shipped down to this place in the jungle.]<<<<<
-- Mercy <10:15:07 / 03-23-55>

>>>>>[My turn now? Uh, I don't do this matrix stuff. I just asked a
couple
people downtown. Not many knew about this Espada delivery company. They
get jobs from other companies to deliver stuff. This is what some guy told
me. Why doesn't someone just call them up?]<<<<<
-- Brick <10:18:17 / 03-23-55>


>>>>>[That's all we came up with. Frosty, we should see if there is a way
to find out who is being kept in that prison. I doubt if they are linked to
the matrix, but I haven't scouted around too much. I'll ask around. Now
Brick, turn off the helmet and unplug the jack. If you ever need to use this,
just do what I told you before.]<<<<<
-- Mercy <10:20:50 / 03-23-55>
Message no. 7
From: "E.S. Brunsell" <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 10:09:18 CDT
>>>>>[Hi guys,

Sorry about the sudden disappearance. I had to take Gawk back to Seattle to get
his cybereye fixed. The fragger went blind! Anyway, anybody know of a job for
a disreputable EX-streetdoc?]<<<<<
-- Frosty <10:05:45 / 04-05-55>


>>>>>[Frosty, lay off, I only broke a coupla fingers!]<<<<<
-- Gawk <10:06:21 / 04-05-55>

>>>>>[.....and wrists, and forearms, and......]<<<<<
-- Frosty <10:06:44 / 04-05-55>
Message no. 8
From: "E.S. Brunsell" <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 10:12:19 CDT
>>>>>[Has anything happened since I have left? I managed to dig up a bit
of
information. TK was seen in that prison complex as recently as Sunday. I say
we hit it tonight. Everyone still in town please meet me at
***LOCATION***]<<<<<
-- Frosty <10:11:33 / 04-05-55>
Message no. 9
From: Dave Sanborn <dasanbor@*******.SYR.EDU>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 19:22:02 -0400
>>>>>[Nice of you to tell your compadres in crime before going back ta
Home Sweet Seattle, Frosty! Hopefully the authorities didn't catch on
to your resurfacing there. Gah! I really would've liked to have gone
back as well... these Jesus-freak-Catholics here in Atzlan have been
crying and moaning and mourning for the ex-Pope, like they thought his
death was the end of the world or something.

At any rate, who else is helping me assassinate Hirisoto, among our
posse members? Gimmee names and "specialties" if you would be so kind.

Incidently Piper, do you wanna run electronic sabotage/surveilance for
us from UCAS territory?]<<<<<
-- Warped Warlock <19:30:28/04-5-55>
Message no. 10
From: Eric Brunsell <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 20:58:09 CDT
>>>>>[Frosty, I have recieved your message. I will be at ***Location***.
Sorry I was gone so long, but I had some unfinished business to look
after]<<<<<
-- Mercy <20:53:33 / 04-05-55>


>>>>>['Unfinished Business' That's a nice way to put running around in the
woods looking for an imaginary beast that was in your dream! It took me a full
week to find him!]<<<<<
-- Brick <20:54:32 / 04-05-55>
Message no. 11
From: Eric Brunsell <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 21:46:44 CDT
>>>>>[Guys,
TK is in the complex. He is in room B1733. Don't know where that is but it is
a start. He is in really bad shape. He might not be able to leave under his
own power. I'll let you see what I mean.

{Download: ##VID.TK.MPG##

The picture is taken from an overhead position. A nearly naked, pale elf is
laying chained to a steel bed. Through the dried blood and bruises, you can
barely make out the face of TK.

ENDFILE}]<<<<<
-- Couch <..:..:.. / ..-..-..>
Message no. 12
From: Eric Brunsell <ericb@***.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 14:42:00 CDT
>>>>>[Frag, Does anyone know what happened to Frosty? He dumped out of the
matrix last night, but I haven't gotten in touch with him since.

I heard that the hijacking of the transport was pretty easy last night. I guess
they wouldn't have to much security on a truckload of food though.

Any ideas on how they got TK out of the complex so quickly? He was there when
you guys entered. I'll finish analyzing the security tapes then upload them for
you.]<<<<<

-- Couch <..:..:.. /..-..-..>
Message no. 13
From: Juan Carlos Ochoa Mantilla <o9315490@******.UNIANDES.EDU.CO>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 15:00:36 -0400
>>>>>[Frosty. This is Pain , the rigger that saw the Goons in th'Nightsky
take your chummer.About .30 klicks into Portland , they smeared my
Dynamit and barely missed me.I didn't see their faces , didn't hear them
talk . I just whimpered . The tab for the car plus custom gear and the
"crawler drone are attached. I'm driving a fragging Eurocar right now and
do need some nuyen. Want me ta join you tonite???]<<<<<
----- PAIN <14:01:00/ 08-04-55>
Message no. 14
From: paraquat <Paraquat@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:31:13 +0000
>>>>>[Yeah, the Aztlaners are still alive, Aztechnology still expands,
and the border still exists. There is some inboard fighting, but
nothing the Aztlaners can't handle, why? What's with the sudden
interest?]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <00:30:10/12-16-57>
Message no. 15
From: KC Chase <1chase@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 20:29:36 -0800
>>>>>[Aztlan. Sudden interest, no...not exactly. I am Aztec, the
Tenochca... Aztlan has always interested me. So what's your slant on the
deal, Slick? You just like to follow the news, or is this a personal
interest in the Land of the Sun.

WRATH OF THE RAIN GOD!]<<<<<

-- Xya Tlaloc <19:17:55 / 12.15.57>
Message no. 16
From: Paraquat <Paraquat@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:55:01 +0000
>>>>>[Nah, not you Xya, the other dude, Rage. Hey, how come your named
after a priest then? I woulda thought that kinda name was sort of like
sacred ya know?. What with him being ruling class and all.


Anyway's in answer to your question, just followin' the news, and
wonderin' what Rage wants.


Azzie land is kind of a news thing right now ain't it? What with the fun
an' all in the Yucatan peninsula and the rebels down in Guerrero. I
hear there's big money to be made down there by the right types, with
the right skills.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <01:50:17/16-12-57>
Message no. 17
From: KC Chase <1chase@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:50:23 -0800
>>>>>[Oh, Rage. Named after a what? My name comes from my second Naming.
Tlaloc isn't a priest he's the rain god... among other things... He's my
protector, jeez, where the hell you been? Anyway, my first Naming was to
Huizilpochitli...but we didn't get along so hot.

Big money? Down the south? I'd take that bet any day... you know
anything else Para?

WRATH OF THE RAIN GOD!]<<<<<

-- Xya Tlaloc <10:00:12 / 12.16.57>
Message no. 18
From: Paraquat <Paraquat@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:24:55 +0000
>>>>>[Yeah, seems he's gone a tad quiet, probably find his 'pooter blew,
looked a tad dodgy anyways.


Sorry 'bout the name an' all, just that my info said High Priest Tlaloc,
not high priest _of_ Tlaloc (oopsy). <g> Shows what happens when you
only get some of the data huh? I asked the jerk for clarrification and
my source tells me it was a typo, A fraggin' typo, and here I go
embarrasin' myself, sheesh.


Anyways, I know some stuff, but there's a lot I don't know, whatcha
want? I'll see if I c'n help. But then you bein' Azzie an' all, you're
more likely in the know than I am.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <18:24:32/16-12-57>
Message no. 19
From: KC Chase <1chase@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:06:16 -0800
>>>>>[Mebbe he got eaten by a shark. Who knows, life is cheap out here. No
big thing about the name, sometimes you lilies don't know the stories that's no skin off
my hide I
know the deal and that's all that matters.

So What do I want huh? Whaddya got, Slick? Heh... nah, I dunno. But I've been cut off
from Aztlan for too long and if something is going down I want to know. You know anyone
else with a stronger line send 'em my way, Slick. And for a lily, you ain't so fraggin
bad...

WRATH OF THE RAIN GOD!]<<<<<

-- Xya Tlaloc <15:52:12 / 12.16.57>
Message no. 20
From: Patrick A Dow <pdow@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:36:04 EST
>>>>>[The sudden interest? Becuase a couple of my chummers have been
talking
about a money making deal in Aztlan... I can't say any more... But if
yer interested in
hiring on....send me a message.]<<<<<<
-Rage
<16:56:33/12-16-57>
Message no. 21
From: Paraquat <Paraquat@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:21:36 +0000
>>>>>[Hey Rage, your message came over real garbled like, you don't
fancy throwin' it out again do ya, it's real messed up bud, I couldn't
make out what you were tryin' to say. If'n you'd like to pop over to
this boards sister node, maybe we could have a chat about your
'pooter.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <23:19:12/12-16-57>
Message no. 22
From: Paraquat <Paraquat@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:17:24 +0000
>>>>>[Why thankyou Xya, it's nice to know that this lilly ain't so bad
<g> Though I always thought a lilly was somethin that floated on a pond
and supported croaking frogs. Hmmm... hey you're saying I'm a frog
platform are ya. I don't know if I like that.


Anyways. Ya gotta remember most o what I know about Azzie land is just
rumour, though I guess some of it is founded. What're you interested
in. It's kinda easy to know specifics, then I c'n either ask my
chummers, or just run off at the mouth for you. Mostly I know a few of
the things that are happenin' in the southern regions, a ways off from
Tenochtitlan, but I hear that Aztech is gaining a stronger foothold
there, and are expanding their pyramids all over Aztlan. Don't know how
that's gonna effect your priesthood stuff none, but the way I figure it,
the more oof Aztech got, the less the old priesthood's got. Course I
could be wrong there, I don't really go on religion much myself, never
really had the time for it. The last big news I heard was that there's
some serious troop movements going on down the bottom end of the
country, and Aztlan are gonna go kick some serious butt in the jungles
down there, I guess the gov is getting a might ticked off at the bad old
rebels.


I been hearin' some bad rumours about blood magic too, somethin' about
it increasin' and bein' used even more, but I really don't even pretend
to understand that sort o' thing, so that really is just rumour.


I also heard that some arrangement has been arrived at with the CAS. Ya
might remember some fuss a while back about maybe a border war flaring
up down there? Well, I don't know if the Dandy chompers in the Tir got
involved, or if'n it was the UCAS, or just the CAS, or the whole lot,
but somethin' got agreed, and the armies have stood down, back to normal
border patrols again, aside o' course for the bunnies, who keep hacking
over the border smugglin' stuff, Azzies are still after them with all
they got.


Well, that's a quick run down of the basics I got lurking in the dark
recesses of this thing I call a mind, dunno if it's any good to ya, if'n
you want more let me know. I'll ask around my buds, see if anyone else
knows anythin', but some of them might not be as generous as I am, and
may ask payment, though I doubt it'd be much. I always figured
information is cheap, and should in the main be free to all who want it,
'cept o' course if'n it's from a corp then it's highest bidder time
<g>]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <23:16:41/12-16-57>
Message no. 23
From: Autumn / Shatterglass <laughingcrow@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:49:46 PST
>>>>>[Sir Paraquat... If I may... Why would the Tir seek involvement in
a border skirmish between the UCAS, or the CAS, and the folk of the
South?}<<<<<
-- Shatterglass <17:21/12-16-57>
Message no. 24
From: Paraquat <Paraquat@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 02:06:39 +0000
>>>>>[No idea Shatter, no idea at all, but someone sure helped shut it
down real quick, I was just speculatin', seems like anything that
happens round here these days has the Tir stamp on it somewhere's, they
sure do get involved in a hell of a lot o' stuff. I weren't speakin'
from any knowledge, just tryin' to figure what happened, and who
happened it.


Oh, and hey, I ain't no Sir, I'm a sergeant, that don't make me no sir,
no way.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <02:05:19/12-17-57>
Message no. 25
From: Autumn / Shatterglass <laughingcrow@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:59:25 PST
>>>>>[+++++He smiles+++++ They do put a great many fingers into a great
many pies.... I would not place the involvement of the Tir out of the
realm of possibility, but in matters like this they do tend to use...
caution.]<<<<<
--Shatterglass <10:20/12-16-57>
Message no. 26
From: Paraquat <Paraquat@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:43:27 +0000
>>>>>[Yeah, that's why I figure nobody really knows for sure. But then
with all the stuff floatin' around on the board these days about the
Tir, it sure do look like they've forgotten some o' that caution.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <13:42:27/12-17-57>
Message no. 27
From: Autumn / Shatterglass <laughingcrow@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:30:54 PST
>>>>>[Perhaps they have. They are not often known for rash actions
un-considered... But there are, and have always been, exceptions among
my kin-folk in that land. +++++He smiles+++++ That is why their presence
is not outside of possibility.]<<<<<
--Shatterglass <2:21/12-17-57>
Message no. 28
From: Patrick A Dow <pdow@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 15:58:58 EST
*****PRIVATE Paraquat
>>>>>[Where's the sister node located?}<<<<<
-Rage <15:16:36/12-17-57>
Message no. 29
From: Paraquat <Paraquat@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:08:29 +0000
>>>>>[Fair comment Shatterglass, fair comment. They are of my kind also,
but I tend to keep that quiet normally. There are too many people
already who hate metahumans, without advertising who or what one is.

The one thing that surprises me, is how such volatile attitudes can be
expressed to another person of the same race. We all have to face a
common fear and hatred of our kind, without such behaviour among
ourselves, it only goes further to discredit metahumans in general to
have this public display of infighting. *sigh* Tragic.

Anyways, what's this thing with the guitar then. You have been lugging
that around for a few days now, and I've only heard one tune, and you
fine tuning the strings, what are you, a bard or something? I met some
bard when I travelled the middle east a while ago, fascinating people,
full of history and legend. If that's what you are, then I know of a
bar, in Tacoma, who would really appreciate a good singer and
storyteller.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <02-07-20/12-18-57>
Message no. 30
From: Zelf the Worox <andbrown@*******.NoDak.edu>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:27:17 -0500 (CDT)
*****NOT TO: Aztechnology, Aztechnology Employees, Aztlan Government
>>>>>[+++++Iniate Translator Aztlan Spanish

I hope I covered all those that should not receive but I will
probably not make it through this run any way.

My team has made within three blocks of the Pyramid. We plan to hit it
in five days. Once we have all are final business in line we shall go
and hit the head office of one of the baddest 3A Corps.

I guess I'm posting this for any extra knowledge that can be gained for a
run of this magnitude, and to make sure that it is okay to post my team's
last wishes and testimonies. If we can't, well then we'll be up shit
creek with out the canoe.

For those that wish to see our run, well we're trying to set it up so
that if we don't live others might gain from our mistakes.

Sorry about being so long winded statement. If the SysOp could please
respond over >>Encrypted<<. We would be quite thankful.]<<<<<
-- Far From The Best <21:15:06 CST/10-23-56>
Message no. 31
From: Zelf the Worox <andbrown@*******.NoDak.edu>
Subject: Re: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:26:11 -0500 (CDT)
*****PRIVATE: Far From The Best
>>>>>[I thought that you were to not let ANYONE know about this run. If
I see more from you before the end of the run, you shall recieve no
payment.

Also you owe me big time, so be glad that I'm paying you anything.]<<<<<
-- John Doe <13:21:42/10-24-56>

*****PRIVATE: Far From The Best
>>>>>[+++++Intiate Translator Aztlan Spanish

Normally I just watch but I will warn you watch your back. Your post
brought unwanted attention in the city.

Again, watch your back, or you may have fewer members than you even have
now.]<<<<<
-- Toxic <15:27:38 CST/10-24-56>
Message no. 32
From: Zelf the Worox <andbrown@*******.NoDak.edu>
Subject: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:37:40 -0500 (CDT)
*****NOT TO:Aztechnology,Atechnology Employees,Azltan Government
>>>>>[Mr. John Doe, I will tell people what ever I want. Won't matter if
you don't pay me and my team since your sending us on a Sucide run any way.
So why don't you take your nY and crawl under a large rock, because if we
survive your fraggin run, your our next target.And if you care at all two
of my team is already dead we have no chance of getting more than two
meters inside.

For those of you that just tuned in, frag it we're already dead.]<<<<<
-- Far From The Best <19:39:32 CST/10-24-56>
Message no. 33
From: Zelf the Worox <andbrown@*******.NoDak.edu>
Subject: RE: Aztlan
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:14:42 -0500 (CDT)
*****PRIVATE:Far From The Best
>>>>>[+++++Iniate Translator Aztlan Spanish

I will tell you again watch you step. You're way to close to the
pyramid to launch a raid on it. Leave the area now before you're
pin-pointed]<<<<<
-- Toxic <20:00:00 CST/10-24-56>

>>>>>[System warning last message sent time/date was tampered by +/- 2
hours.

Please, find and correct.

+++++Locking Out All Translator Iniation Sequences ]<<<<<
-- Aztechnology Communications <20:37:46 CST/10-24-56>
System Monitor
Aztechnology

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