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Message no. 1
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: First Amendment
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:10:13 +0100
>>>>>[Kor, freedom of speech means those you consider idiots, those you
think are wrong, those you think are evil, all have the same right to a
forum as you do.

Prove them wrong. They are guaranteed their right to speak, so long as
they stay within the law: you are guaranteed your right to show them for
the fools many of them are.

But I'll never deny anyone his right to speak simply because he's a fool
or a knave.

Have you ever seen any version of "A Man for All Seasons"?]<<<<<
-- Lynch <00:09:46/02-05-58>
Message no. 2
From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:30:08 MST
>>>>>[ Lynch, a law or an amendment to a constitution is only words. They,
in and of themselves are meaningless until, a person or group of people
decided to enforce their meaning on themselves (hopefully) and others (more
likely).

If the forum is in UCAS or CAS matrix space, then yes, technically,
according to laws written by those governments, there exists free speech.
If it isn't enforced, than it is only a technicality. In that case,
everyone does what either a) someone forces them to do or b) what they want
to do anyway. Here it seems to be to smother those opinions that others
disagree with -- especially if it deals in politics.

For the record, we do agree with you. Let them talk - prove why they are
wrong, if you feel that urge. But don't silence them forcibly, because you
are unknowingly taking away your freedom to speak out as well. ]<<<<<
-- Legion <20:24:23/05-02-58>
Message no. 3
From: Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:53:01 -0700
>>>>>[Hmmm.... "A Man for All Seasons," eh? Gonna have to look
for that
one. Out of my usual area of memorabilia, but might be worth a look-see.

I'm kind of partial to Voltaire:

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."

Though, I am not exactly sure about how close I'd follow the "to the
death" part. I bruise easily.]<<<<<
-- NewsJunkie <12:47:40/05-02-58 PDT>
Message no. 4
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:29:10 +0000
>>>>>[
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Lynch, Legion... wise words you use. I am impressed. But if I remember
right, this "freedom" you claim to protect was established by means of
force, and brought war into every corner of this planet.

I for one think it is neccessary to protect this freedom with the rifle
in the hand. Same statements can be and can have been heared by your
armed forces.

And I am not even a McCarthy-type of person. I will not hunt people for
opinions, only when they manace innocents. Uh - isn't that what you
claim?
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-- Anonymous <14:21:35/05-03-58>
NetzTrainer GmbH
Message no. 5
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:29:10 +0000
>>>>>[ Lynch, if you are claiming to protect the right of free speech,
why do you and your minions watch and keep silent while monsters like
that daisy-eater Easy kill members of a legal policlub? You prove your
biases by action - and lack thereof. ]<<<<<
-- Thomas <14:27/05-03-58>
Message no. 6
From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: First Amendment
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 12:03:56 MST
>>>>>[ Anonymous from NetzTrainer GmbH, Germany:

We are not a part of the UCAS or CAS government. Our beliefs are solely
our own and not sponsored by some government agency. We do work on behalf
of our employer whose views may or may not coincide with our own. Leveling
a town, or protecting some politician is all just part of the game.

We do not agree that a rifle is protecting free speech because you are
silencing a voice. If that person commits an act of violence against us,
we will respond in kind. If a person decides to say, wipe out an orphanage
full of Elven children or human children, that is fine by us. If that same
person tries to attack us, however, we will defend ourselves.

We don't uphold political causes. We simply don't care. If you are a
troll, you have as much right to die as a human. Still, in and of itself,
there is no harm in someone expressing opinions, even if we consider them
stupid or foolish.

"Menace an innocent?" Please define that term. We are not familiar with
that term called innocence. ]<<<<<
-- Legion <18:51:44/05-03-58

>>>>>[ Thomas, there _are_ people after Easy for breaking the law against a
legal policlub. Lynch probably isn't one of them, due to the fact that it
isn't really SIGA's area to be involved in. It is the FBI's crime to solve
and frankly, bragging on a forum isn't enough evidence to convict a person
(at least last time we checked). It will be used against the criminal in a
court case, but the brag alone won't convict the person. The larger
problem for the FBI is that they aren't as well equipped to hunt down a
talented member of a society that isn't supposed to exist in the first
place.

All in all, it raises the old question. Why do mercenaries and shadowrunners
exist in the first place? Why do corporations (and governments) need
mercenaries and shadowrunners?

We have our own theories about those answers, but we don't care to share them
right now. ]<<<<<
-- Legion <18:58:15/05-03-58>

***** Private: Lynch
>>>>>[ Mr. Lynch, I don't know if you have an answer to this or not, but
since I
really don't even know of that many people in the UCAS government, I figured I
should ask someone who does. I have a friend in a corporation who said another
friend of mine, was caught in what they think was a hostile extraction. Rumor
has it, that the FBI and Knight Errant are working on the case, but they aren't
telling anyone anything useful. Do you know anything about it? The person
missing is Scourge of JICES.

Seeing how small this world is, I imagine it will only be a matter of time
before we meet. Until then. ]<<<<<
-- Midnight <19:08:10/05-03-58>

***** Private: Kor
>>>>>[ Just found out that the FBI and Ares were looking into what they
think
might have been a hostile extraction of Scourge. Neither side is talking though
about any information they have on the case. Amazingly enough, the whole thing
has been kept out of the news. I asked a question, but since they don't know me
from Adam, I would be highly surprised I rate a response. ]<<<<<
-- Midnight <19:10:30/04-03-58>
Message no. 7
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:59:21 +0100
>>>>>[Hey, Anonymous, when I'm not a spook or a shadowrunner or on
vacation I'm a UCAS Marine, my father was a UCAS Marine, my grandfather
was a US Marine who died dancing for Coleman. I was _born_ with a rifle
in my hand.

As for 'freedom' bringing war to every corner... war went there anyway.
Sometimes it was a "war of national liberation". Sometimes it was "a
quest for Lebensraum". Sometimes "a Jihad of the Sword against the
infidel". Sometimes a simple "they got it, we want it, let's steal it."

Another quote? "Those who desire the benefit of liberty must bear the
fatigues of defending it." Ben Franklin, I think.

As for hunting people... say what you damn well like, it gets logged in
the kook file and that's the end of it. Take "direct action", start
blowing innocent people up, and maybe one day the last thing you see
will be me killing you.

Sounds like Anonymous and I agree on a lot of things.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <21:53:45/05-03-58>

*****PRIVATE: Anonymous
>>>>>[Want to get together for a few beers? Open offer, safe ground.

Might help us avoid stepping on each others' toes.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <21:54:32/05-03-58>
Message no. 8
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 22:07:34 +0100
*****PRIVATE: Midnight
>>>>>[Scourge missing?

Damn. Didn't know, sorry.

We'll check it out. He helped us out in a pretty big way, figure I owe
him for that. Things have been... busy for a while here.

Aren't you the guy Quinn's helping? She still OK? Haven't heard from her
in a while.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <22:01:12/05-03-58>

*****INTERNAL: SIGANet
>>>>>[TO: Sgt J S Karlsbruhn

Jake, you've done all the hard work on covering up Wild Rose, and the
Farmer can stay under his rock for a little longer. Get me everything
you can on Scourge and JICES. We've got a lot on him, I want current
events.

He's apparently been snatched. I want to know where, when, how, who by,
where he is, and I want all that soon. He helped us out, let's repay the
favour.

Go. I got a medical waiver describing your ankle problems here waiting
for me to sign it.

Why does that matter? Because it explains why you need to have flared
cuffs for your BDUs, Karlsbruhn, and authorises you to get them properly
tailored.

Sheesh. Toad has to wear the damn things and hates them, you desperately
seek to be allowed to get them. Next thing I know you'll be wearing tie-
died undershirts.

Scratch that, you probably _are_ wearing tie-dyed undershirts. Anyway,
find Scourge for me.]<<<<<
-- 1Lt J R W Lynch <Still:Gloating:Over/His-Navy-Cross>
Strategic Intelligence Gathering Agency
Message no. 9
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 22:21:35 +0100
>>>>>[Let's see if I've got this straight. Thunda posts gloating
descriptions of rape, mutilation and torture, and this is a Federal
conspiracy to defame the patron saint of the Humanis cause.

Now when some Elven samurai gets fingered for attacking one of your
policlubs this is suddenly Gospel truth?

Make up your mind.

And what she does in her time is her business. Take this from a man who
would have once been a "sand nigger", married a shapeshifter, and
really, really doesn't like racists. And would never, ever hint which
"legal policlubs" have generous cash donations that flow to local arms
dealers, to someone like Easy who might act on that: that would be a
very bad thing to do. Some Humanis terrorists might get killed if I did
that.

He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword, Thomas. It applies to me,
it applies to Humanis. Stick with peaceful nonviolence and you're
entitled to the full protection of the law: notice how little trouble
your Auburn chapter has? Cops protect it, we protect it, the meta action
groups leave it alone, because they stick to talking.

Go for "direct action" (why can't you assholes just say "killing
metahumans"? At least be honest about it) and you invite the
consequences.

Make your choice.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <22:21:51/05-03-58>
Message no. 10
From: Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: First Amendment
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 15:56:20 MST
***** Private: Lynch
>>>>>[ I didn't realize he worked for and/or with you at any point. I'm
glad I picked you to contact. I didn't really expect you would know any
details at this time, seeing as it is the FBI's investigation from what I
heard. I promise to keep out of everyone's way during this investigation,
seeing as I already have too many details to handle as it stands.

Yes, Quinn is helping me, and something she said, actually sparked the idea
of contacting you about Scourge. She is doing well. I think she enjoys
that chaos that seems to emerge from whatever I try to accomplish.

Time for me to go to a meeting with a connection. Later. ]<<<<<
-- Midnight <23:02:55/05-03-58>
Message no. 11
From: Brion Wauters <stu502@****.COCO.CC.AZ.US>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:56:01 -0700
>>>>>[But if they where honest and actually _said_ "let's kill all the
metas", then they couldn't hide behind the constitutional amendments, could they?
Plus if they did speak honestly, they'd be the first people the Star looked for every time
a metah

As for the sudden change from "Goverment Conspiracy" to "Gosple
Truth",
what did you expect? These millitant, homocidal (genocidal) extream
groups always claim that the goverment/cops/corps/everyone else are out
to get them. Besides it gives them more press time. Who knows, the
piles of organic fertalizer they spout might actually influence a few
ignorant people, which is a boast to their "cause".

So your another jar-head, Lynch? I didn't think many marines went into
shadowrunning. How many of us are on this board anyway?]<<<<<
-- Irish <11:00:05/05-05-58>
Message no. 12
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:07:47 +0100
*****PRIVATE: Irish
>>>>>[Not too many of us leathernecks out here, Irish. Glad to find one
more brother.

I know a crazy shaman who's tied in with the British Paras, my wife's
Chair Farce, and a good friend is an ex-SEAL. That's about it that I can
swear to: got some rumours about Sioux Wildcats and I know a Salish
Ranger or two, but that's it.


You ever need backup, call me through this net or on >>telecom<<.

Semper Fi, amigo.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <01:07:51/05-06-58>
Message no. 13
From: Brion Wauters <stu502@****.COCO.CC.AZ.US>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:29:42 -0700
*****PRIVATE: Lynch
>>>>>[Well you can add Buzz (The one, The only, Human Bee in the Matrix) to
your list,
I remeber hearing that he was ex-millitary. And there used to be a
former Green-Berret
by the name of GunBunny around here.

Your friends with a _SEAL_? What kind of Marine hangs with a ARFer?
Just kinding,
some of the old Recon prejudices die hard, is all.

Thanks for the offer. If your ever in West Tacoma on a Sunday night,
drop by Lou's Bar
& Grill" and I'll buy you a round. Just hope you don't mind old 2-D
movies.]<<<<<
-- Irish <13:33:35/07-05-58>
Message no. 14
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:22:28 +0100
*****PRIVATE: Irish
>>>>>[Buzz? Thought he was ex-Company. Good guy, though.

Sure, I hang with SEALs, why not? I mean, helps us jarheads look good by
comparison <g> Seriously, I get on pretty good with the Navy. I need to,
else they won't let me land on the roof when I want to.

And if you buy the first round, I'll buy the steaks. And I _love_ old
movies.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <23:22:26/05-07-58>
Message no. 15
From: Brion Wauters <stu502@****.COCO.CC.AZ.US>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:39:23 -0700
*****PRIVATE: Lynch
>>>>>[Hope you got a fat credstick chummer. Lou keeps a supply of actual
meat steaks on hand, but they ain't cheap (even if you get a prefered customer discount
like me). As for the movies, if you call ahead you can find out what he's showing. For e

On a side note, I hope your not allergic to cats. Lou has this big-ole
puma he lets wander the bar. Actually, it's his ally spirit, so I'm not
sure that would affect allergies.]<<<<<
-- Irish <08:43:14/09-05-58>
Message no. 16
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: First Amendment
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 23:13:37 +0100
*****PRIVATE: Irish
>>>>>[Hey, money's not too much of a problem, at least not where steak's
concerned.

And I _married_ a cat - well, a leopard. My wife's a shapeshifter.

See you Sunday. I could use the break.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <23:13:23/05-09-58>

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