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From:	"Michael R. Goldberg" <mrgoldbe@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:	Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:29:43 -0600

Message no. 1 >>>>>[ Haze, let me get this straight: You went after an individual,
and found out that three other people took exception to the act?

I address this to everyone who works with a team of individuals at one
time or another: If someone targeted to kill a fellow teammate of yours
and you gained wind of it, what would you do? Especially if given the
fact that you didn't know the reasons behind why they were trying to
kill your teammate?

I'm really curious to hear from the more honourable out there....

Help me out here .... should I give success chances? What would you do
if say, you thought there was only a 10-25% chance of the would-be
assassin succeeding? Perhaps a higher or lower percentage?

I am "dying" to hear where people here find the balance between
individual honour and the team's honour? ]<<<<<
-- Ratspeak <06:29:15/31-DEC-58>

From:	Kristling Ravenwing <kravenwing@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Tue, 30 Dec 1997 03:40:15 -0500

Message no. 2 >>>>>[No matter what percentage chance the wetworker has, he has three
things against him when he goes after ANY of my chummers:
1) Wetworking is a dishonourable profession in the first part.
B) A chummer's a chummer. I can't count how many times my Sammy sis,
Jassmine, has pull my meat outa trouble when I'm busy outa my body. I do
the same for her.
III) Me and Shakes, due to points 1 and 2.
Haze, get a life. Take sociology, you might learn how we (meta) humans
think.]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman <03:39:25
EST/12-31-58>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:50:10 +0000

Message no. 3 >>>>>[Hey, Kristling-dude, get your head out of your ass.

Wetwork is dishonourable? Killing for money's bad? Well, gee, I guess
it's not exactly the nicest of professions, but it pays the bills.
Howzabout bounty hunting? That "honourable" yet?

What's the alternative? Shadowrunning? You know, stealing, kidnapping
and smashing stuff up for money, and killing the poor saps who get in
your way. That's more honourable? Uh... yeah, right, buddy. You want to
add up how many ordinary Joes get drekked on by one shadowrun. That's
why I mostly got out of the business, just go back when the mechanic
business gets slow.

You're _not_ a shadowrunner? Then what the frag are you doing on this
board, buddy?]<<<<<
-- Harley <09:45:34/12-31-58>

From:	Kristling Ravenwing <kravenwing@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Tue, 30 Dec 1997 05:27:15 -0500

Message no. 4 >>>>>[Tell me Harley, do you messure success with body count? It's a wonder
you haven't got caught yet if you do.
I'm not saying I haven't killed. All runners evenually kill. The difference
is, I exhausted all my other options first. Wetworking is taking a life
because someone told you to. When I killed (and so far it's only been once)
it was because there was no spell I had that could bring down someone who'd
beatled his brain to Pluto. It was my last resort. I know I may have to
kill again. But I don't relish the idea. I do the job I get paid for. I
don't want to get paid for being a killing machine.
You ask me, "wetworking is dishonourable?" I ask you in turn "What makes
you think it is?"]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman <05:26:40 EST/
12-31-58>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:09:37 +0000

Message no. 5 >>>>>[Blood answers blood, Ratspeak.

Kill one of the Brothers and you will die for it.]<<<<<
-- Cholo <10:09:31/12-31-58>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:16:22 +0000

Message no. 6 +++++relay via tacstation "Wolf Den"
>>>>>[Quippe minuti semper et infirmi est animi exiguique voluptas
ultio.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <10:16:12/12-31-58>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:19:19 +0000

Message no. 7 >>>>>[Well, thanks darlin' for speaking in tongues on a board where most
people don't know what the fuck your sayin'. Now, rather than pose
around and show off your superior fucking intellect, why don't you get a
grip on life and speak English?]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <14:13:52/12-31-58>

>>>>>[Calm down man, she's only showing off and trying to impress the
lower echelons of life and confuse the lower species. Who gives a damn,
if Lillith wants to show off and talk to herself, where's the
harm?]<<<<<
-- Marathon <14:15:09/12-31-58>

>>>>>[Where's the harm? I hate ignorant fucking poseurs who's only
enjoyment in life is pretending superiority - it's so fucking
irritating. Besides, it doesn't achieve anything, except to show the
arrogance for what it is - ignorant derision of other people. The worst
form of mockery, that is calculated just to show off and answer a base
need for superiority and personal gratification. The most despicable
kind of arrogance too, I might add.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <14:16:30/12-31-589>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:12:02 +0000

Message no. 8 >>>>>[Having a great many years experience of Bounty Hunting, I think a
lot of people would say - NO! It is not honourable. Bounty Hunting is a
way to make a living, I have my reasons for employment in that sector.
The people I count coup on, do not consider me honourable. In fact, I
think that in the majority of opinions, the profession is the lowest of
all. It is hard, it is dangerous, but, the Police hate us, the targets
hate us, the pyublic misunderstand us, and the shadows despise us. No,
Harley, Bounty Hunting is not considered honourable - yet. But I'm
working on that.]<<<<<
-- Shenandoah <14:11:28/12-31-58>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:07:08 +0000

Message no. 9 >>>>>[Wetworking is dishonourable?? Jeez do you lead a sheltered life.
Wassamatta goofus? Born a rich kid and wouldn't stoop so low as to
killin' to feed your kin?

What is it with dozy slabs like this? I mean, for cryin' out loud.
What's the difference between wetwork an' killin' a dozen sec pips coz
they're fraggin' the datasteal. Or killin' a bunch o' dudes who have
seen fit to screw a chummer over? Nothin' that's what the difference
is. Killin' is killin' is killin'. Th'only time to worry is when it
gets to be enjoyable.

Why don't you grow up Kristling, or frag off back to your luxury life
under the protection of your momma. I'd hate to think o' you gettin'
yourself all disillusioned like.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <13:30:20/12-31-58>

>>>>>[What's wrong with enjoying yourself? If it ain't no fun, what's
the point in doin' it? Killin's only a small part of the whole.]<<<<<
-- Twitch <13:31:42/12-31-58>

>>>>>[This makes me soooo sick. Killing isn't honourable. The team is
honourable as long as you all love each other. God is good, guns are
evil. Oh for fucks sake.

Look, Kristling. This is the real world. Yes, you look after your
friends and family. Yes, when a friend is in trouble, you should be
there for them. But don't start this killing is dishonourable, killers
are scum crap here. It doesn't wash. Everyone here has had to kill at
some time. The fact that you have only done so once is not a sign of
your professionalism, but your inexperience. Some of us have even had
to kill friends. Tasteless as that may seem, it is better than allowing
them to be taken by... well, taken.

There is nothing dishonourable in wetwork. It is a difficult
profession. There is a certain honour in being able to complete the
contract with the minimum amount of fuss and minimal collateral damage,
and a considerable amount of professionalism.

There are three types of killing.

1: Contract killing, otherwise known as assassination. Difficult, and
only usually undertaken by professionals. Nothing dishonourable in that,
provided collateral damage is minimal. Random slam attacks with bombs
are not what I would call professional, or reasonable.

2: Defensive killing. That time when a run is going sour, and the only
way out is to frag your opponents. Sometimes it's unavoidable. Can't
deal with it? Then stay the fuck out of the shadows.

3: Random killing. This is the sort of thing that happens several
times a day, in every city in every part of the world. The gangs, the
muggers, the thieves and the nutters. Those who kill for opportunity,
fun, or just for the sake of killing. That is the only dishonourable
thing about the whole subject. Beating some old fucker to death with a
crowbar for a few bucks, shooting the shit out of a gas station for a
few bucks. Killing some broad you've just raped, just for the fun of
it. That's dishonourable.

Don't come in here with your high and mighty ideals, until such a time
as you have faced all the options first hand, and made your choice. "I
killed once, and realise I might have to again"... just doesn't cut the
mustard pal.

Get some experience. Get some intelligence. Get a fucking grip. Then
come back here and preach. Until then, shut up.]<<<<<
-- Shenandoah <13:41:33/12-31-58>

>>>>>[Hey, he woulda had some fun with that Thunda fella last year with
them silly remarks wouldn't he?]<<<<<
-- Marathon <13:42:08/12-31-58>

>>>>>[Do not speak so lightly of that which you do not understand.
Thunda was a martyr to some, a god to others, and scum of the earth to
many. To mock such an individual is an invitation to problems. And we
would not welcome a repeat episode of that particular occassion.]<<<<<
-- C.O.T. <13:44:32/12-31-58>

>>>>>[Some might.]<<<<<
-- Sons of Retribution <13:45:09/12-31-58>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:05:12 +0000

Message no. 10 >>>>>[No, Kristling, if I'm bounty hunting or wetworking I call success
nailing the target without getting anyone else killed. Collateral damage
is kinda bad for business, and I mostly do vehicle work anyway - makes
it easier to be neat. Why, what do you call it?

What's so different about killing for money, than stealing for money and
killing the people who get in the way? There's nothing particularly
honourable about any of it, dude, so don't be getting airs and graces
just because you "only fry people's brains when you really, really have
to". I mean, you're tossing spells, why the hell do you need to run the
shadows? It's not like there's a shortage of jobs for magicians that
don't involve anything illegal.

But you chose to get down in the shadows, live a life of crime, and now
you want to say stealing's honourable but killing ain't? You don't want
to kill people, fine, your choice, but you're not exactly in a position
in which you wanna render too many judgements.]<<<<<
-- Harley <13:04:32/12-31-58>

From:	Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:42:23 +0000

Message no. 11 >>>>>[Right Kristling,

Ohh...lemme guess? You took this line of work for...the work
befinits? The dental plan? Wake up and smell the soycaf, pryathel. Your
type of happy runner muthafraggers have no place here.

Pfft...get a life. Yeah, I might just get yours.

And, hey! Happy new Year chummers]<<<<<
-- Haze <15:23:21/12-31-58>

From:	Kristling Ravenwing <kravenwing@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:07:15 -0500

Message no. 12 >>>>>[Apparently, I mispoke. Like me state that I now have my perspective
changed.

I can understand and respect wetworks now. I wouldn't make it my primary
income, but i ain't bad mouthing it again.]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman (12:06:12/ 01-01-59)

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:45:47 +0000

Message no. 13 >>>>>[O, tempora! O, mores!]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <15:43:23/12-31-58>

*****PRIVATE: The Mighty Quinn
>>>>>[That's Cicero, not Juvenal.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <15:44:46/12-31-58>

*****PRIVATE: Lilith
>>>>>[Ouday Iay ooklay ikelay Iay ivegay a lyingfay uckfay? :)
]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <15:45:56/12-31-58>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:42:02 +0000

Message no. 14 +++++relay via tacstation "Wolf Den"
>>>>>[My, my, Paraquat, we are touchy today.

My grip on life seems far more solid than yours, if you can be roused to
rage merely by a quote from Juvenal. And there are neither a shortage of
Latin lexicons, nor of dictionaries of quotations: you could have
translated what I wrote in less time than it took you to produce your
little rant.

I assumed those who cared would find out, those who didn't would ignore
it. A pity I forgot category three.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <15:41:25/12-31-58>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:46:01 +0000

Message no. 15 >>>>>[Touchy? No Lillith, you'll know when I'm touchy. You
misunderstand, and I suggest that your grip on reality has taken a flyer
at some point in the recent past. Possibly as a result of too many big
bangs, huh? I've seen all sortsa people arrivin' here, an' all of them
arrive, speak English, and do whatever they do. When some mook arrives
who starts talkin' his native language, everyone gets real uptight and
starts shoutin' and beratin' the poor schmuck. You, in your "I'm so
familiar" fucking arrogance, post in some archaic language, that only
eggheads use, and expect us all to bow down before your superiority.
Well, no thank you very fuckin' much babe. You wanna show off how smart
you are - piss off to to a scientific board, where at least there'll be
people who know what the fuck you're talkin' 'bout, otherwise use the
native language.

Some of us, don't read Juvenal;, or watch it, or whatever the fuck you
do with it. Some of us, don't have the benefits of your rich fuck
education. Don't treat those of us whjo don't with such contempt, or
one day it migght back fire on you. an' why the fuck should I buy a
book or chip of Latin lexicons juist so I can understand some stup[id
slitch who's only inclination in life is to show off how fucking
educated she is. I have better things to do than purchase software just
to suit your fucking egotistical moments.

If you've got something to say. Say it. If you don't have the decency
to use a universal language in this area, then don't fucking bother.

Yeah, well, that's gonna be your failure one day. Assumin' things, an'
forgettin' category three. One day, Category three is gonna frag your
ass, because of your arrogant fucking assumptions. Jeeezus, I hate
smart ass types like you. Walking around with your oh so perfect nose,
stuffed up in the air, just lovin' every minute that you can lord it
over the lesser species. You wanna do that, fuck off and join a corp ya
dopey bitch.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <21:30:34/01-01-59>

*****PRIVATE: Paraquat
>>>>>[Do you know what you're doing P? That's Lillith... as in Lynch's
squeeze. You really want to get Superman's fucking attention?]<<<<<
-- Marathon <21:32:05/01-01-59>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>{Oh right. Like you're so tolerant huh? Who was the last one to
blow his case because of something he didn't like? Don't throw stones
unless you're free of guilt bud. Oh, and by the way, I could give a
fuck who's squeeze she is. What's he gonna do? Insult me? Hunt me
down and kick my ass because I insulted his shaggin' post? Blow me away
'cause I don't understand some language only used by toffee nosed pay
school dickheads an' fuckin' doctors? I could care less, he don't
frighten me, he's only a man, and he's on his own. He ain't never gonna
come after me, 'cause of some stupid argument his bitch has gotten into
'cause of her superior attitude. So, blow dude. You leave this alone,
it's got nothin' to do with you. Anyways, I'll shut up as soon as the
slut admits she shouldn'ta done it and realises that not everyone has
her fucking silver spoon education.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <21:39:45/01-01-59>

*****PRIVATE: Cath
>>>>>[Cath, sweetie. Paraquat's got a bug up his ass about that latin
post. You wanna send Hungry round to talk to him? I don't think he's
had any sleep in the last week. It might be an idea for Hungry to help
him get some groceries down his neck and get some sleep.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <21:41:33/01-01-58>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[You know what he's like babe. Just let him rant for a while, it's
his way of blowing off steam. Besides I don't think the work on his
truck was successful, so it's probably best if he just blows away for a
while. If you really want, I could get Monolith to make him sleep for a
while. Look, why don't you come round? We can talk better than that
way. <g>]<<<<<
-- Cath <21:45:09/01-01-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:37:45 +0000

Message no. 16 >>>>>[Shenandoah, bounty hunting's an okay line of work. Why's there a
bounty on some mark's head? On account they pissed off someone with
clout and money, (or maybe got set up for a fall, but that doesn't
happen anywhere near as often as the marks would like you to believe).
Don't want a bounty hunter after you? Don't torque off the rich and
shameless.

And the cops don't hate me that I particularly noticed. Don't exacly
love me, but bounty hunters help put the clean-up figures up and the
cops like that on account of it helping them keep the franchise?
Runners, hell, it's not that different from any other run. Grab or kill
this guy for cash. Big freaking deal. Public? Could care less, dude,
this is Hell's Kitchen and public opinon doesn't really bother me.
Nobody near the garage is gonna have a bounty worth collecting anyway.

Maybe you're just bigger time than I was. Never claimed to be a great
bounty hunter, just that it helps keep me in gas money.]<<<<<
-- Harley <21:37:53/01-01-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:08:33 +0000

Message no. 17 >>>>>[Universal language, Paraquat? All right, try this.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

Was that comprehensible enough? Oh, I'm sorry, there was a five-syllable
word in there.

Did you get that? Or were the words too big? It's got your favourite
word there right at the start, does that help you make sense of it?

Not everyone here is as joyously ignorant as you. If Latin bothers you,
ignore it, this is hardly a mission-critical debate. If you care what it
says, look it up, there are freeware translators galore, and it's in
most dictionaries of quotations, again including some good freeware
ones.

I posted it in the original, because there are subtleties involved that
some here might appreciate. Why should they suffer, simply because an
ignorant ass like you gets offended by a language he never bothered to
learn?

If you don't care what I wrote, ignore it. If you did care, then eight
words would suffice to wrest the translation from me. "I don't speak
Latin, what did that mean?" Less than a minute to type. You wouldn't
even have to say "please".

Instead, you fly into an incoherent rage, spouting obscenities and
protesting that not everything here on Shadowland is nice pre-digested
pablum for Paraquat's poor little brain.

Contempt, Paraquat? Who is ranting at who here? My "rich fuck education"
ended before I was fourteen. Yet I know who Juvenal was, appreciate some
of his works, and find them relevant today, and not because of any
formal schooling.

Did I contemptuously overestimate your intelligence, Paraquat?

Are you upset because I disdainfully assumed most posters here could
think for themselves, and question in a civil manner what they did not
understand?

You? You're living proof of Santanaya, another person it seems you've
never heard of - and who you will probably also claim to be proud that
you're ignorant of. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to
fulfil it."

Crawl back into your hole, Paraquat. Boast smugly of your stupidity.
Revel in your ignorance.

Just don't assume that everyone is as unlearned as you delight in
being.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <00:05:17/01-02-59>

From:	Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:51:31 +0000

Message no. 18 >>>>>[Oh, get off it, girl. Allright, you know someone who writes shit in
Latin. Oh yes, my my, that helps you aim that gun, yep.

Listen up. By posting that little thing in Latin, you just categorize us.
The smug muthafraggers who can read that bullshit, and the rest of us.
There was no need for that, except for showing off. So drop the
high-and-mighty attitude. You're educated, or possess a superior mind.
Well woopie-di-fraggin'-doo... A big fucking gold star for you. Don't
bother us with it again. I'm pretty sure that Fuchi guard with the GEV
drone will find it interresting that you can recite the latin fuckin'
mass.]<<<<<
-- Haze <20:19:04/01-01-59>

From:	Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject:	Re[2]: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:16:46 MST

Message no. 19 >>>>>[ Paraquat keep your ranting to yourself. Lilith responded to
my question, in a unique manner, which was asking about the etiquette
of revenge and payback given the recent uproars on this node. At the
time, I didn't realize that a person I decked with in the past was
going to buy the farm, but I thought it is relevant to ask an
etiquette question concerning the ages old question of revenge.
Perhaps now, sadly enough, it is even more clearly so.

Back to my point though, Lilith chose to answer in a unique manner,
and since I asked the question, I went through the pains to try to
translate it. However, from what I know about her past, she is
certainly qualified to offer her opinions on the subject.

While I'm not surprised at the answers I have received, I am
surprised by who is answering them. I would have expected something
from Death among others, but suspiciously, he is quiet.

Perhaps a related question, what would you do if you were the target
of a wetwork run?

Sure it is a different ballgame when it is a teammate that is the
target, but what if it is you, and you survive the initial attempt on
your so-called life. Pop quiz. What would you do? ]<<<<<
-- Ratspeak <00:07:50/01-01-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:59:20 +0000

Message no. 20 >>>>>[My god, you really are one incredibly stupid, selfish and arrogant
bitch aren't you?

Go on dipshit, blast away, have your defensive rant. Try and justify
your pathetic existence and your ignorant superlative and superior
attitudes to the majority of the public. I could give a fuck what you
think. You're obviously capable of using the English language, yet you
insisted on gloating about your superiority in such an inane fashion,
rather than doing what your so called and much vaunted "books of
quotations" do. They, in case you hadn't noticed while you were
massaging your inflated ego, offer an English translation in the text.
Why didn't you use that instead of blowing off at the seams and stuffing
your fucking ego in here. If I want to hunt around on the matrix for
freeware/shareware or translators, I'll do it for a much better reason
than some bitch who thinks she's god's gift to the world and wants to
share her Einsteinian intellect with the lesser species.

Can't take the heat? Tough, go beat out the wrinkles in your ego,
they've obviously suffered some sort of dent. It's pitying that you
complain I am so ignorant and lazy, yet you have the arrogance to advise
me to go and get something to understand the tripe you insist on
sharing. Well, I'm soooo honoured that a measly worm such as myself
has been noticed by your exaltedness. It's a shame you didn't think
about the lesser species of this planet before you decided to entertain
us with your bloated pathetic existence.

Oh, yeah, and the next time you decide you're goin' to slam some sucker
in this node for some imagined infraction of your own posting code, just
remember what you've said to me, because I will. Watch yourself bitch,
and try to practice what your preaching.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <00:56:18/01-02-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 01:37:15 +0000

Message no. 21 >>>>>[No, Haze, I categorised you nicely with that little posting. Those
who understood it right away: those that can be bothered to find out
what they don't understand: those who don't care: and those who get
terribly angry when the world isn't predigested into convenient, ready-
masticated chunks for their consumption.

High-and-mighty attitude? My, my. A few words in a foreign language; and
all manner of folk crawl out from under their rocks saying how cruel it
is, that they're being asked to think for a few seconds. It must be hard
to be so stupid. Did you have to take lessons to achieve this level of
brute ignorance?

Vivere si recte nescis, decede peritis. Lusisti satis, edisti satis
atque bibisti: tempus abire tibi est.

Start with Horace and work from there, Haze, it really isn't difficult
at all to work out what that means. Or try the University of
Georgetown's language department, they have a very good freeware Latin
translator: if you can reach Shadowland, a public Matrix site should
hardly be a challenge.

And yes, the right Latin has saved my life on a few occasions.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <01:37:46/01-02-58>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 01:57:38 +0000

Message no. 22 >>>>>[Paraquat, you don't know me, you've never met me, and all I know
of you is that you're roused to incoherent fury by the sight of Latin,
which you proudly boast that you don't understand.

Yet you choose to insult and abuse me, simply because I answer a
question with an appropriate quote of a Roman philosopher.

What brought you so low? Were you always this petty and stupid, or did
some terrible tragedy leave you so weak-minded that all you can do is
prowl the bulletin boards, ranting and raving at anyone using big words
or saying things that you don't understand, instantly, at once?

Why the hell should I dumb down to your lowest denominator? Why should
every single poster to this board have to cater to your boastful
ignorance? You don't understand, ask and it shall be clarified. You
don't want to know, ignore it. But don't demand that everyone here be as
stupid as you are.

You've got a problem with me? Too fucking bad, Paraquat. Live with it,
or come do something about it, or else shut the hell up. I'm so sorry
that I overestimated your intelligence, well, no problem, I'll make sure
I never directly ask you to think for yourself again. Meantime, just
ignore whatever I write here, it'll probably make your poor tiny brain
hurt to read, and we can see how that makes Paraquat angry, he doesn't
like to think for himself, other people can do that for him.

You still never answered the question: if you don't speak Latin and
don't care what I said, why the hell are you so pissed off? If you don't
understand it, either find out what I said (thirty seconds of time) or
ignore it. Why share your malicious stupidity with us all? Why rub our
collective noses in your ignorance? Are you really so proud of that
small, narrow, closed mind that you have to flaunt it so publicly?

And I've never slammed anyone for "infractions of a posting code", nor
do I particularly intend to.

Practice what I preach, Paraquat? The pot is challenging the kettle to a
comparison of albedos, methinks.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <01:57:42/01-02-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:09:11 +0000

Message no. 23 >>>>>[Paraquat, listen close.

Only one person on God's earth gets to call Lilith a bitch, and you're
talking to her right now. So stop calling her names. Please. Because if
you don't I'll get angry.

She posted a dozen lines of Latin? Oh, boo hoo, what a fucking tragedy,
what a disaster for ShadowLand, it's the end of the fucking world
because someone said something that poor little Paraquat didn't
understand and he's all upset. So he's going to rant and rave and shout
and scream and hold his breath until he DIES! if they don't stop and say
they were sorry and beg his forgiveness for this terrible crime.

I mean, we've got murders, kidnaps, rapes, arson, looting, but all of
those pale into insignificance! Someone posted a line of Latin to
Shadowland! Call the FBI! Send in the Marines! Launch the nuclear
missiles! This is the biggest disaster since Moses called down ten
plagues on Egypt!

That was something called sarcasm, Paraquat. I thought I ought to tell
you, since you probably consider that a foreign language too. And I'll
bet you rant and rave about that as well.

Now fuck off and go play nice, preferably in a nice playpen that doesn't
have Matrix access. You're a stupid ignorant dumbfuck sonofabitch and
proud of it? All right, fine, any time I talk to you directly I'll be
sure to speak slow and use small words, to be sure you can understand
me.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up and stop whining.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <02:00:25/01-02-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 01:41:48 +0000

Message no. 24 >>>>>[This is a world of free speech Ratspeak. So no, I will not keep my
ranting to myself. I get sick to death of the incredible arrogance of
some people who assume that everyone here is a fraggin' demigod, and
owns every piece of shit software on the market.

Also, I'm so sorry that the people who did respond are not of the
calibre and quality as the ones you expected. That's life chummer.
Maybe there's a reason.

What would I do if I was the target of a wetwork run, and I survived?

Well, now Ratspeak, you've asked a damn good question there. I guess it
depends doesn't it? I would start asking myself some questions tho'.
Was the hit professional, i.e was the target taken and/or was collateral
damage a considerable effect of the attack? Who the hell have I fragged
off enough to get that kind of a contract stuck on my ass? Can I get
the fuck out of the way until I can figure out what's goin' on? Is
there a way out of it?

First thing I'd do, is go to ground. Find me a deep deep deep fuckin'
hole and crawl into it. Use my friends and contacts to enquire as to
the contract and value. That might give a clue as to "who". Last of all
there's the big question. Is it worth my while trying to get back at
the sucker. If I can identify the contracter it would depend very much
on who and where they are. No point goin' after someone too powerful,
it'd be better to just disappear somewhere for a long while. If they're
accessible, then take them down. If it was a friend that was hit, same
things apply, including the obvious - "Am I next?"

I can't answer your question Ratspeak, because I don't know enough about
the situation. But I know some people who might be able to help, and I
know a few deep places to hide. If you're in deep shit, you'd be better
off looking for good help, than getting inane and useless comments in a
dead language.

I don't remember any question concerning ettiquette of revenge and
consequence. But if that's the case. You got my answer above. The
only other thing I c'n think of at the mo' is something I saw in a movie
once. "Revenge is a dish best served cold."
-- Paraquat <01:41:11/02-01-59>

From:	Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:00:07 +0000

Message no. 25 >>>>>[Hey...I recognized a word in there...recte...I think that's my ass,
right? Listen up, whore. I don't no who you tryin' to play for da fool
here, but I ain't following you. Who's the biggest scum? Us little poor
runners, who try to work for a living, and don't have time to read up on
all those nice, classical authors? Or y'all bunch of elite mercs/Sun Tzu
reading muthafraggers? Y'all make me wanna yarf. Shaft the attitude, and play
wit' da real people, the ones who can't read latin, but who'll do a hell
of a job on a run.

In a pinch, crawl into a nice hole, and die, bitch (that ain't latin, BTW)

And, hey...Bullitus, Lotsus bullitus upside your muthafraggin' cranium.
That's the only Latin I need...]<<<<<
-- Haze <21:04:08/01-01-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 03:44:26 +0000

Message no. 26 >>>>>[Mighty Quinn? Oh wow, I'm so scared of your busy little fingers
and sabre rattlin'. Only you get to call Lillith a bitch? Oh wow,
well, slap my ornery wrist for infringin' on your personal privileges.
Excqueeze me. Duh, I think I'll go and shoot myself now, seeing as I've
been berated by the high and great - the incredibly wonderful, all
powerful and all seeing Mighty fucking Quinn.

Now, you listen close. If that stupid bitch Lillith wants to show off
how intelligent she is, and how ignorant the rest of the world is, fine.
But why should anyone who doesn't understand have to "ask" for her to
translate for them or hunt around for endless hours looing for the
latest bug ridden piece of shareware crap to download and waste time on
when all she has to do, is use a tiny ounce of her massive brain, and
post in fucking English. So that she and you can sit back and count
coup? Huh? So that you can look at all the pathetic little underlings
who aren't at your godlike level of superiority. Well - Fuck you!

Oh, dear me. I've done it now. I made the one and only, the amazing
Mighty Quinn angry. I called Lillith a bitch again. Oh damn, I did it
again. Oh deary deary me. I think I'll go crap myself now, the big and
ferocious, incredible and mighty Quinn is gonna come and stamp her
petulant little feet at me, and tell me what an unpleasant oik I am. Oh
no...]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <03:36:32/01-02-58>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 03:56:29 +0000

Message no. 27 >>>>>[You're right, I don't know you, I've never met you, and I will
most certainly _not_ lose any sleep over that little factoid. In fact,
if I never meet you, I shall be most happy, if I never read your endless
drivel and superior bullshit again I shall be incoherently ecstatic.

Incoherent fury? Interestin'. If I'm so incoherent, how come you
understand sufficiently to respond? Oh yeah, you're some highbrow
slobber who's head is so filled with dead shit, that you can understand
anythin', regardless of how incoherent it is. Oh no, of course I know
what it is, you went off and downloaded a shareware translator didn't
you? A "Decipher incoherent Paraquat version 101". Duh!

Insult and abuse you. Good grief. I ain't started yet ya bozo. Why
the hell should you lower yourself? Common decency, politeness,
consideration, thoughtfulness, and a multitude of other reasons, If'n
you've got the time, I've got the list. If you can't bring yourself
down from your elevated position above the rest of mankind piss off back
to the palace you belong in, and leave us working class "morons" to earn
a livin' instead of having to put up with your snot nosed superior
bullshit. Ignore you. OK, will do, no problemo - welcome to the
killfile. Just next time you've got some pathetic urge to gloat about
your brain power, and how you can speak dead languages, make sure you
send it to the person it's intended for instead of showing off in
public. You really want to gloat about how superior your intellect is,
fine, join Mensa I hear they'll accept arrogant bitches like you with
all sorts of celebrations. I shouldn't need to ask to have a post
clarified - it's simple consideration to _offer_ or _include_ a
translation. All you're doing is classifying the lesser breeds with
your type of corporate fuckwit crap. I c'n see from your attitude that
you thoroughly enjoy lording it over the lesser types. What a surprise.

I c'n think for myself, I just don't want to waste time hunting around
for somethin' I ain't gonna use but once. If I'm wastin' my time by
arguin' with you, that's fine, provided at the end of the day, you
understand that the world isn't populated by raging god like beings who
can speak every language in the universe, have read everything from
Tosltoy to Ben Elton and can spout historic quotes out of their
collective ass. Grow up and smell the beans. You are an exception, not
the norm. If you can't handle the heat that's been aimed at you for
your rank stupidity and selfishness, maybe you ought to try thinkin',
and thinkin' about somethin' that ain't involved in your petty little
world of fossilised Romans.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <03:29:09/01-02-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:06:22 +0000

Message no. 28 >>>>>[Bullitus... Oh Haze, that's so fuckin' funny. Lotsus Bullitus.
I gotta remember that. Sheeit.

Oh by the way, allegedly no-one except the wondrous Mighty Quinn is
allowed to call Lillith a bitch - damn, I did it again, now I'm in
trouble. She's gonna pout and stamp her feet if people carry on doin'
that. Hmm, time to find a stamping feet shelter methinks.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <04:05:18/01-02-59>

From:	Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject:	Re[2]: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:31:28 MST

Message no. 29 >>>>>[ Paraquat, shut the frag up. Fine. You don't know Latin, and
don't want to translate it. That is your choice and loss. Not all
the people who know Latin are rich or had the luxury of a remotely
classical education.

I grew up on the streets. I know Latin. Now why might that be?
Perhaps because it has something to do with the fact that I'm
religious? Nah. Couldn't be.

If Lilith wants to talk in Latin and be understood by a handful of
others on this node, that's fine. If you don't like it, that's fine
too. However, I don't want to hear about it, and I certainly won't
tolerate talk that knowing Latin serves no useful purpose. ]<<<<<
-- the Wanderer <04:30:33/02-JAN-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:14:56 +0000

Message no. 30 >>>>>[Before I follow your oh so well considered advice Wanderer. Aside
from dress wearing woofters in some fraggin' church, who's only purpose
in life is to mislead the sheep of this world and further their own
riches, doctors whose use of the language is archaic and unnecessary,
botanists and anthropologists who don't know any better and are too
stupid to come up with a real name for something - give me an example of
Latin serving a "useful" purpose. A purpose that can't be achieved
equally as well as using a native language - like, oh - English?]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <05:11:32/01-02-59>

From:	Kristling Ravenwing <kravenwing@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:19:16 -0500

Message no. 31 >>>>>[Well said Lilith!

The best way I've heard free speech defined is you can say anything you
want, however you want, as long as you don't stop others from doing the
same. so lilith said something you didn't understand, Paraquat. Big drek.
Go grow up. Anarchy doesn't necasarily mean imperfect spelling and city-
speak.

By the way, can you all check if my time/ date tag is okay? Been having
trouble with that.]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman <CORRUPTED>

From:	Kristling Ravenwing <kravenwing@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:22:15 -0500

Message no. 32 ***** PRIVATE: Lilith
>>>>>[Sorry, but my sister's away and she's the on that speaks latin in the
fam. What does Vivere si recte nescis, decede peritis. Lusisti satis,
edisti satis
atque bibisti: tempus abire tibi est. mean?]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman <CORRUPTED /
12-31-59>

From:	Kristling Ravenwing <kravenwing@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Thu, 1 Jan 1998 04:25:37 -0500

Message no. 33 ***** Private: Lilith
>>>>>[I'd like to meet you and Lynch sometime. It'd be nice to have someone
to disscuss Inferno and Tynessons works with.]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman <04:25:12 /
CORRUPTED>

From:	Jeffrey Mach <mach@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:45:20 -0800

Message no. 34 >>>>>[Hey, what's wrong with being able to recite the Latin mass?

Lilith: Nil coborundum illegitimi
P.S. Where's Grendel?]<<<<<
-- Michael <00:46:23/01-01-59 PST>

From:	Frank Pelletier <jeanpell@****.IVIC.QC.CA>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:00:24 +0000

Message no. 35 >>>>>[Oh..that's fraggin' great...A poster on Shadowland that can recite
the latin mass. Goddamn, did I stumble into the Mensa
suck-my-dick-I'll-suck-yours reunion my mistake? <English accent> Well
dear, let me see... your brain is big! That's good! In Latin! Do you know
the works of Virgil? </English accent>. It seems every fuckin' runner
knows Sun fuckin' Tzu and Roman fuckin' writers nowadays. So, great, not
all of us have sky-high IQs. Not all of us have the motivation to read,
let alone learn, a fuckin' DEAD language. Goddamn, what do you speak
through your Commlinks? Latin? "Guardii with biggie gunis at 5 o'clock?"
Fuck.

Okay...Listen up. Uhhh....I'm sorry to have called people names. I
shouldn't do that, we all supposed to be professional. But Paraquat has it
right on the money. Why didn't Lilith post a little, intsy-bitsy
translation right under that post? Why? Hey! Some of us have better things
to do than dig up some obscure translation program... I'm having trouble
reprogramming my German one with all the grime that's gotten into the
connection, I sure as Hell don't want to replace it with fuckin' Latin.

Fuck...judging runners by the number of dead languages they learn. Hey, I
know how to boost my rep! Get me my Sumarian program! Sheesh...]<<<<<
-- Haze <11:03:04/01-02-59>

From:	Mike Goldberg <michael.goldberg@*******.COM>
Subject:	Re[2]: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:59:55 MST

Message no. 36 >>>>>[ Latin is one of the native languages that the Bible was
written in. I prefer to rely on my own translation of the canon
rather than rely on others translations of the work, which may be
inaccurate in places.

Religion, while being an organized phenomena, is only useful to
individuals if it carries meaning to them. Which is more meaningful
-- to read somebody's interpretation of the canon or to read the
canon and form your own opinions on it?

If using native languages is best for interpreting literature, than
why not use Latin for reading the bible, Arabic for reading the
Qu'ran (Koran), and archaic Hebrew (which isn't all that different
from modern Hebrew) to read the Torah? (Just to cite a few
examples.) I for one, take studying religion very seriously, and try
to study it and the surrounding culture in the same manner the
natives would do (or would have done.) Which for me, means among
other things, that I learn the native language completely.

Am I rich? No, it would be far too convenient to accomplish my goals
if I were that well off. Did I receive an education above and beyond
the streets? Yes. Most of the languages I know, however, are
self-taught. ]<<<<<
-- Midnight <16:52:19/01-02-59>

>>>>>[ And let that be a warning to those who are planning to go to
Sprinkler's funeral. I've been asked to officiate it, and as such it
will be mostly in Latin. I would be willing to after the funeral
explain what the prayers mean in English, but I will not do it at the
funeral itself, as they are currently predicting it will be bitterly
cold. ]<<<<<<
-- Midnight <16:54:58/01-02-59>

***** Private: Gunner, Shadowfox
>>>>>[ +++++ relay via Panther_Net.

Legion just told me the news. My condolences on the passing of
Sprinkler. He was a good kid, and it saddens me to hear of his
death. I am unfortunately in the middle of a war zone in South
America, and as such, will not be able to make the funeral. My you
find some comfort in at least my thoughts being with you on this loss
of a good friend. ]<<<<<
-- Whirlwind <16:57:30/01-02-59>

From:	Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:41:10 +0000

Message no. 37 ***** PRIVATE: Lilith
>>>>>[
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Dis Paraquat person said a thing A don't like at all. Thus, Am willing
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>modest amount< nuyen. As A know ya can't officially assign dis kind of
work, just a public "do it" message will be taken as yes, ok?

A friend... and tell Jason although I didn't share a drink with'im, I
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From:	Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:41:09 +0000

Message no. 38 >>>>>[ Paraquat - if you are not interested in what Lilith has to say,
ignore it. If you are not interested enough to log into the University
of Seattle and have it translated - even I could do it, although I'm
not a decker, and it cost me mere 12 =Y= - don't care.

So many people died last year, over serious matters. Why do you insist
to show your ignorance, and insult people who've made themselves a
name, Paraquat? Insults only dishonor the one who utters them - this is
kept in English, for your benefit, and as I don't speak Mandarin.
]<<<<<
-- Canis <18:24:42/01-02-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:43:33 +0000

Message no. 39 >>>>>[Without getting into a religious debate, which I'd lose, because
my only experience with religion is watching a bunch of mooks
worshipping some skinny fuck who was crucified. Latin is not the native
language of the bible. Not as I understand it. The thing took place in
the middle east. Hebrew, Egyptian, Palestinian would be the canon
language, not something that was translated and written by some god
fearing nutcase several hundred years after the fact.

For crying out loud, what is it with you cross bearing loons. You
worship the one god, the real god, the guy in the bible. A book written
by interpreters from stories handed down by word of mouth over several
generations, warped by a materialistic church to suit their own purposes
and further their own aims, and retranslated and reprinted so many
times, nobody knows anymore where it all started. Don't talk to me
about canon languages, coz if there's one thing I do know, Latin is not
the natural or native language of the people in the bible. It's dead
Roman speak and has no meaning anymore.

Aside from which why make the arrogant assumption that everyone else
shares a fascination for dead authors and dead languages and dead
people. Life is tough enough without having to pander to the vagueries
of some mook who's only understanding of life is to show off and pose.

Aside from which, if that was your answer to my question Midnight, it
doesn't work. I asked for a definition "useful usage" of latin -
something that couldn't be replicated just as well in English. What
makes you think your interpretation of the Latin is better than someone
elses. YOur were taught the language, by someone else who was taught
the language. As has been proved over the centuries, teaching is only
as good as the person doing the teaching. The teacher makes mistakes
and the pupil repeats those mistakes. The only people who could speak
latin properly are dead. They're fossilised bones and buried towns. So
that's not a reason or an explanation. Interpretation is down to the
individual. Don't you find it arrogant that you are saying you can
translate the bible into your natural language better than people who
were versed in the language.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <18:41:22/01-02-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:40:44 +0000

Message no. 40 >>>>>[Let's see, Paraquat. In order... you're incoherent all right. It's
hard work trying to pick what you're saying out of the assorted insults,
and one wonders why anyone should bother. You find Latin objectionable?
I find boastfully ignorant fools to be tediously annoying, personally.

Ratspeak asked a question, I replied. I'm so sorry that you found my
reply offensive, but you still haven't said why every single message
posted here should be reduced to a level that you can understand without
exertion, why those here with more wit than you should censor themselves
to meet your low standards, or why I should go private on an answer to a
public question merely because Paraquat flies into an apoplectic frenzy
whenever he doesn't comprehend a Shadowland posting.

You mention "thoughtfulness", well, I personally prefer not to assume an
audience of idiots, and in fact consider the people here intelligent
enough to make sense of a line of Juvenal, most likely by some very
basic reference. In what way is that "lording it over them"?

I didn't refer to you, wasn't talking to you, had no intention of
offending you, did not imply any superiority over you, have never called
you a "working class moron", and have not "gloated over my brain
power",
nor "lorded it over lesser types". A question was asked about the ethics
of revenge, and I replied with a quote that I felt summed up my
feelings. I left it in the original Latin because there are subtleties
within the language that some might appreciate. That's all. The rest is
all in your overheated imagination.

Common decency, politeness, consideration, thoughtfulness. Large words,
I'm pleased to see you know how to type them. Now go and study a
dictionary, if you own such a thing, and learn what they mean, and stop
being so hypocritical.

Elevated position above mankind? Classifying lesser breeds? Showing off
in public? Paraquat, you reveal an ignorance that is breathtaking. You
have no idea who I am, what I have done or where I am from, yet you feel
free to label and categorise: and then to hurl poorly-worded abuse based
on the imaginary target you have created. You're a blindly prejudiced
fool. Where _did_ I go to school, Paraquat? When did I graduate? Did I
graduate at all? You don't know the answers, do you? And that's why your
attempts at insults are merely funny, because they're so poorly aimed:
and why you're such a blatant hypocrite.

I don't like elitism, and I don't like your assumption that everyone
here is too mentally incompetent to decipher a Juvenal quote without
subtitles and a follow-the-bouncy-ball singalong track. I _really_ don't
like the notion that an ill-tempered oaf is allowed to set the
intellectual ceiling here, and nobody should be allowed to say anything
that might offend his delicate sensibilities.

Again, I'm sorry for assuming you were capable of rational thought, but
since that assumption has infuriated you so, I apologise unreservedly
and promise never to repeat the error in any message addressed to you.
Are you happier now? Otherwise, you'll just have to live with my
shocking assumption that most people here have a brain and the will to
use it.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <17:39:41/01-02-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:47:22 +0000

Message no. 41 >>>>>[Lordy, Paraquat, not only ignorant but predictable and paranoid
too. I tell you to stop whining, and what happens? Drip, drip, drip,
poor widdle Paraquat's still furious with Lilith because she assumed he
could think for himself. What a horrible thing to say about a man,
right? And he can't even spell her name properly. Oh, we're impressed
with the man.

And now Haze has recovered from screwing the pooch in Germany, he's
joined in on the side of the Vulgarians. What a team, huh?

And yeah, I'm a one and only, and I am pretty amazing, and I know for a
fact you wouldn't dare say this shit to me or Lilith in person... but
it's amazing how brave sniveling little shits like you and Haze can be
from behind a keyboard and an alias.

You want to talk to me, face to face? I'll give you some nice Aldershot
kisses if you do, boys, seperately or together, I have no problem with
that.

It's not my busy little fingers that you should be scared of... and the
only time you'll see me stamp my feet is when a size-six Boot, Combat,
Urban Mod 2 comes down on your face.

Now, what part of "shut the fuck up" don't you boys understand?

And please, Paraquat. No snide whining, no threats, no bluster. You want
to say more, say it to my face, don't hide behind a terminal.

Put up, or shut up.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <17:42:46/01-02-59>

*****NOT TO: Paraquat
>>>>>[Okay. I've got ten nuyen that says, not only will the whinging git
not shut up, but he'll go all weaselly about meeting me in person and
won't have the balls to do it.

Any takers?]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <17:46:43/01-02-58>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:36:47 +0000

Message no. 42 >>>>>[No, Haze, recte does not refer to your ass.

I haven't been a whore for years, and I don't particularly feel like
going back to that line of work.

I haven't called anyone scum in this thread.

I have done a lot of mercenary work, and yes, I've read Sun Tzu. I'm
sorry if that offends your stomach -

+++++include credit transfer: 7.25 nuyen

but that should buy you a bottle of Pepto-Bismol at any Stuffer Shack,
to soothe your disturbed digestion. Happier now?

And I heard about your last run, Haze. The only way that was a "hell of
a job" was the total clusterfuck you made of it, so I don't think
you've got much to boast about when it comes to getting work done.

Maybe if you _did_ read some of those "nice, classical authors" and took
some of their tips, you'll avoid being strung up, naked, in the rafters
of a German church again.

Answer your questions any?

Now, when you've learned to walk the walk, then maybe people will listen
when you talk the talk. Until then, fare thee well]<<<<<
-- Lilith <17:35:16/01-02-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:38:04 +0000

Message no. 43 >>>>>[I didn't post a translation because I didn't want to insult the
intelligence of everyone here by assuming they were incapable of
deciphering a simple Juvenal quote.

Anyone who cared could look it up. You've loudly and repeatedly said
that you don't care, so why are you even having this argument? You don't
like it, ignore the damn thing, it's only a philosophical comment about
the ethics of revenge. Hardly the stuff to turn a flagging shadow career
around.

And I repeat: if you choose not to read texts like "The Art of War",
then so be it: but that's your right and your choice, and nothing to be
particularly proud of. I and others have found they contain a great deal
of useful and relevant advice, which remains applicable today even on
urban shadowruns. Others who have read it don't share that opinion,
considering it too philosophical, but at least they read it before
dismissing it. It's a short document, Haze, you could peruse it in half
an hour.

Neither have I ever suggested judging anyone by their skills in ancient
linguistics. Yes, so I've taught myself several "dead languages": I had
to, because the source material for some research I needed to do was in
those languages, and electronic translation often misses the finer
nuances.

That is no special virtue, merely something I needed to do: just as
others here have taught themselves advanced microtronics, field first
aid, magical theory, or other skills - often rather harder than a
language - which they found they required and did not possess. ]<<<<<
-- Lilith <18:37:34/01-02-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:27:42 +0000

Message no. 44 *****PRIVATE: Kristling Ravenwing
>>>>>[It translates, loosely, as "If you don't know how to live
happily,
give way to those who are more expert at it. You have had your
pleasures, eaten and drunk enough: it's time you were gone."

Basically, telling Paraquat to loosen up and get a life.

He probably won't.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <17:27:54/01-02-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:48:35 +0000

Message no. 45 >>>>>[The point Canis, is not that I could've paid 12Y to translate it,
losin' a nights accommodation I might add. Or that I could've
downloaded some piece of shite software to clutter my machinery with.
Nor has it anythin' to do with "good" people dyin'. People die every
day, deal with it. The point is a simple breach of etiquette and
contemptuous treatment of other people. So there are a large number of
corporate eggheads occupying this node who can speak Latin fluently and
read big thick books written by people who died several centuries ago.
Well, big deal. I could care less. It is common decency to offer a
translation of a publicly posted message, she failed to do that, and has
since revelled in her superiority. Instead she has gone out of her way
to revel in the ignorance and inability of others to understand her
superiority in the world, and people like myself who lack appreciation
of such people or their inconsiderate and ignorant behaviour. When I
see everybody posting in latin all the time, everday, every post, then
I'll fuck off somewhere else. Until then the least they can do is stop
being such pig ignorant selfish fuckheads and admit that the entire
world doesn't run to their beck and call. Don't like my opinion Canis.
I care not.

If that message was intended for someone else, it should have been sent
to the person for whom it was intended. Not posted in a public board
just to show off her superior intellect and education. Far better
people than her make do with far far less.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <19:26:21/01-02-59>

*****PRIVATE: Paraquat
>>>>>[Look omae, there is a limit to the amount of arguing you can do.
Just face up to the simple fact that these people are yanking your
chain, and will continue to do so as long as your saft enough to argue
with them. If they want to walk around showing off how educated they
are, let 'em. Education does not a bullet stop. Education does not
help one iota in the fields we operate. If these sad cretures want to
kid themselves into thinking they are superior to the rest of mankind
just because they know more than anyone else, let 'em. Death comes to
us all eventually, and when they die, you can sit back and laugh,
knowing that their education did them no damn good.

Drop it Paraquat, you're not achieving anything.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <19:29:09/01-02-58>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[Thats not the point. I don't care that they stupid fucks can
speak some dead language, and don't give a shit about the rest of
humanity. I don;t care that these idiots are alienating people by
gloating over their superiority.

"Ooooh look, I can speak Latin, and quote classical works of literature,
and I memorised Sun Tzu, and I can quote Shakespeare, and I'm a much
better person than you because your some piece of shit slime who crawled
out of the gutter, while I've got a big fat silver spoon shoved up my
ass."

It pisses me off that these bastards can be so fucking arrogant to think
every fucker and his granny is going to instantly worship the ground
they walk on, worship their achievements, and live in mortal fear of
their terrible wrath being brought down upon the slimy worms who live
beneath their god like feet. IT PISSES ME OFF! Can you understand
that. I've lived my entire fucking life on the wrong side of the
tracks. I've had to work every day of my life, every fucking hour, to
get where I am today. I didn't have the benefit of an expensive
education where I could afford to throw out Latin fucking phrases as
some compliment to a mook who got himself fragged. These fuckers might
be some famous-all-time-wonderful-recognised-personally-by-the-UCAS-
president-feared-godlike-runner, but that don't mean shit to me. If the
bastards are gonna treat me and mine with contempt what am I gonna do
about it? Hunt them down and make them pay? Like sure. Or stand my
ground and argue the fucking point, maybe in the hope of waking some
dozey fucker up, and opening their silver clad eyes a tad.

Recognising that the world spins to it's own purpose not in honour of
them, and that there are a _large_ number of people out here who don't
have their incredible and obnoxiously broad educational spectrum. Normal
every day people who struggle to survive rather than posing around in
public places, taking the piss out of guys like me.

I'm not gonna drop this Marathon. Not till they admit that they were
wrong. Not until they realise that their understanding of the world is
not that of tens of thousands of other people. What would happen if I
walked into the bar and started spouting off in Latin or somesuch,
without explainin' it first. For starters Piggy'd put a bullet in me.
Someone else would want to know what was goin' on, and we'd end up
having a row about it. Now, if I went up to the person the message was
for, and said it them, all quiet like, there'd be no trouble, right?
Lillith in her fucking arrogance, felt free to post a directed message
in a public post, and got all upset because I responded. Well, fuck me.
She should've sent it to the person it was meant for, or offered the
rest of the world a fucking translation. If she'd honoured common
ettiquette, I wouldn't have made any noise about it at all, and just
ignored the post. Also, the simple fact that the stupid bitch then
tried to justify her arrogance, really got my back up. She calls me
stupid, moronic, uneducated and incoherent. Fuckin'A I am, especially
to smart arse bleeders who revel in the belittling of other people.

No Marathon I won't let this go, until they do.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <19:42:35/01-02-59>

*****PRIVATE: Paraquat
>>>>>[Well you're going to have to soon, we've got work to
do.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <19:45:12/01-02-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:47:40 +0000

Message no. 46 >>>>>[Oh my word Lillith, now you are gettin' defensive aren't ya. I
haven't said why I want every post in this forum to come down to my
level, because the issue is your arrogance in assuming everyone is at
the same educational level and standard you are. Have I complained
about anyone elses post? No, why not? Garsh, could it be 'cause they
haven't posted in a dead language, contemptuously assuming everyone has
the time inclination or knowledge to find out what the crap meant? The
point is you flaunted a simple ettiquette protocol in your arrogant
belief that everybody would worship you.

As I said before, somethin' I hasten to add you've ignored. If the
message was intended for a specific person rather than to show off your
superior Khanlike intellect, it should've gone to that person. It is
simple decency and politeness to offer and/or include a translation when
posting to a public board when it's not the native language of that
board.

You are beginning to squirm in your guilt and cast about rather sadly in
a pathetic attempt to redirect the whole point of my complaint. There's
no point in you flatulently announcing that I am an obnoxious person. I
think the people on this board are more than adaquately equipped to
realise that. Plus I also notice that you seem to use English to your
best advantage, which means that Latin is not your native language, nor
your language of choice, same as it isn't for hundreds of other people.
If you find boastfully ignorant fools so personally tedious I can only
assume that you must hate yourself with a passion. I am not boastful.
I'm not the one posting into an English speaking board in a dead
language, and then desperately trying to justify it by making inane
comments about Sun Tzu, or redirection of attack. My entire point of
the whole thread has been your incredible arrogance and contempt for the
"mortals" of this world. It has nothing to do with the pathetic
attempts at redirection coming from you.

If everybody posts in Latin, all the time, every day, every week, every
month, every year, and uses the language continually, instead, like you
resorting to their natural language then I will shut up, and leave it
alone. But, the simple fact is you, and all the others who have decided
Paraquat is a "BAD" man, don't. None of you. So, I got upset about a
foreign language post? No. I got upset because you failed to offer or
include a translation in a public post to an open forum. I got upset
because you assumed in your own exhalted arrogance that everybody and
their dog, speaks your languages, that everybody and their dog has read
your books just because they "have" to. According to your logic, nobody
could live a successful life without having read these mysterious
centuries old texts and speaking in tongues that don't exist outside of
upper crust schools. Log onto any other English speaking forum and post
in a foreign language. Notice by the way, how many requests you get to
speak English or go away. Not everybody is going to worship you just
because your Lillith, famous by the act of hanging onto someone else's
coat-tails, and stomping over guys like me.

Oh and before you decide to claim my runners life is flagging, you
better talk to your husband and find out where some of his information
came from recently. Do your homework and be grateful ya dopey bitch
instead of attempting to change the subject into an argument you
couldn't possibly imagine how to complete, and here you go again,
desperately trying to redirect the point of my original post and the
reason for this thread.

You don't like elitism, yet post in a language that over 60% of your
intended audience won't understand. Oh, public in general was not your
intended audience? Then why wasn't the message sent to Ratspeak
directly? You don't like elitism, yet do everything you can to make
sure people understand how superior you are to the low life Paraquat,
you spout off at the handle about what an ignorant, and pathetic little
creature I am, and how I am beneath your contempt. And that is not
elitism? That is not arrogant assumption. You challenge me Lillith,
yet you know nothing about the person you speak so detrimentally about.
Why are you so desperate to change the subject of this thread? Why are
you so desperate to call attention to something everyone already knows
and has done since my first post? Could it be because <gasp> you know
you were wrong?

As I have said above and previously. If your message was intended for
someone directly, it should have been sent to them directly. Not posted
in a public forum for the simple enjoyment of showin' off.

Your apology is accepted. And your personal guarantee that you won't
repeat the error. Good. Now I shall go away and sit quietly, once
again allowed to enjoy the conversations that come over this node,
instead of putting up with your trivial bullshit.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <20:40:11/01-02-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:27:20 +0000

Message no. 47 >>>>>[It's amazing how paranoid, arroganrt and pathetic you sound Mighty
Quinn. It's amazing how you can say these things about widdle ol'
Paraquat, and big bad nasty Haze, when you haven't got the guts of your
own conviction to come to our neighbourhood and have this argument face
to face. It's amazing how Lillith has brought in one of her big friend
buddies to help her out and redirect the simple message contained within
this thread. Yeah, vulgarians, that's it, yeah, us nasty little slime
fucks have invaded your oh so perfect life and made you realise that the
entire world doesn't worship the ground you're pissin' on. Us horrid
little guttersnipes who are "so unpleasant and obnoxious, who just don't
understand our position in life is to be living carpets for the snot
nosed arrogant of this world."

Snivelling little shits? Hmmm. <sniff sniff> Yep, your right lady.
i'm definately a snivvelin' little shit. More so than you could ever
imagine. Tell you what, why don't you come and visit me at home, sewer
no 23, third level, take the fourth storm drain on the right. Then you
might have the right to sit in your comfortable appartment and deride
me. Until then, the point is a little moot isn't it. Your' so hard done
by buddy has decided to apologise and has promised not to do it again.
She stakes her reputation on that promise and guarantee, because after
all who can take her seriously, if she breaks her "public" word to scum
like me, she could break her word to anyone, and that means she's
dangerous to whomever she works with.

Aldershot??? Yeah, Ok, you pay for my passage, and that of my vehicles,
and I'll come play with you, provided you have the courage to walk the
walk your talkin' And it's not just some pathetic challenge thrown out
because you know damn well I cain't afford to travel that far. You pay
you arrogant slut and I'll play with ya.

What part of Shut the fuck up don't I understand? Well, there's the
magic word that's missin' for starters. It wasn't said in Latin, oh you
mean Latin doesn't have a word for fuck, shame.

C'mon then Mighty Quill, I'll call yer bluff. If'n you cain't afford ta
pay for my gear to get there you'd better supply equivelent shit on
site. Or I won't just kick your ass, I'll kill ya. Odds on it won't be
a fair fight anyways.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <21:08:32/01-02-59>

*****NOT TO: Paraquat
>>>>>[I'll take that ten and raise you fifty.]<<<<<
-- Cath <20:59:03/01-02-59>

*****NOT TO: Paraquat
>>>>[Me too. Raise you another fifty.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <21:00:11/01-02-59>

*****NOT TO: Paraquat
>>>>>[Like I don't got dat much. C'n I jus bet the
ten?]<<<<<
-- Hungry <21:13:12/01-02-59>

*****PRIVATE: Hungry
>>>>>[Hungry, what are you doin'? You haven't even got ten
nuyen.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <21:14:29/01-02-59>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[Well no I don't. But you'll lend it me won't ya. Anyways, I
knows P ain't gonna let that go, he's too stoopid.]<<<<<
-- Hungry <21:23:04/01-02-59>

*****NOT TO: Paraquat
>>>>>[I'm in. Oh man, I'll definately bet on this
one.]<<<<<
-- Monolith <21:27:19/01-02-59>

*****PRIVATE: Paraquat
>>>>>[Well, now you've done it you stupid fuck. All this over a
something that could've been ignored. What are your going to do?]<<<<<
-- Marathon <21:42:35/01-02-59>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[It's the principle of the thing. It's got nothin' to do with
whether or not I'm educated, or if I'm an igorant fuck who can't count
beyond my fingers. It's about showin' a little respect for normal
people. Now if that silly bugger Quinn, Quiff, Quill - whatever her
name is - wants to come play with me, fine, if that's what it's gonna
take I'll follow it through.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <21:11:41/01-02-59>

*****PRIVATE: Paraquat
>>>>>[Paraquat. Aldershot is the home of the British Army. Does that
mean anything to you? She's going to turn up on her own turf, in an
area where she has overwhelming support. She is then going to use that
to her advantage, and if it looks like you might win, her friends will
do everything they can to help her and hinder you. If necessary they
will kill you before allowing one of their own to be dishonoured to
someone like you. Hell, accidents happen don't they? You've signed
your own death warrant bud. Marathon asked you to back off, but when
you get the bit in your teeth...]<<<<<
-- Monolith <21:42:23/01-02-59>

*****PRIVATE: Monolith
>>>>>[Yeah, so? I'll take Hungry as a gunner, he can always fart and
gas the bastards. Look. I appreciate that I've stirred up some
trouble, but it's my trouble. So she's part of the British military. I
always thought the Brits were polite people, overly so in fact. I always
thought that the British had a sense of decency. I'm not happy to learn
that I have been proved wrong. If Lillith don't have the courage to
back up her fightin' talk and has to rely on some fucking Army
commander, who am I to care? No, I'll take her on, and afterwards
everyone will think. Well, he was an asshole, but at least he stood by
his words. Quiff kill me? Not an' hold any kind of respect again. She
stomped all over a foreigner on her home turf with her buddies lined up
watchin'. Nope, she's not gonna earn any favours by cheatin' Mono and
anyone comes in on her side, well, it just evens the odds a bit don't
it. Look, I've survived the Death Valley run twelve times now, and New
orleans three, I've fucked with the Azzies on occassion as well, all
with not much more than a coupla dents and few holes in the truck. When
she can boast the same thing, I'll respect her. Until then, she's
fightin' an unknown. I know who she is, what she does, where she comes
from, an' her weak points. That's what bein' famous does to ya. If'n
she wants to kick my ass, she's gonna break her foot tryin'. Marathon
don't call me iron ass for nothin'.

Oh, yeah, an' I don't expect you guys to get into this. It's my
problem, I'll sort it.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <21:23:54/01-02-59>

From:	Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:18:26 +0000

Message no. 48 >>>>>{You didn't post a translation because you didn't want to insult
anyone's intelligence, then proceeded to do so for those who don't have
the time or money to realise it was a junvenile quote.

Hear me now, and remember it.

NOT EVERYBODY IN THIS GODDAMN WORLD IS AT YOUR LEVEL OF ARCHAIC
KNOWLEDGE!

Some of us have had to fight every inch of our way through life, some of
us don't have the time, need or inclination to look up some dead
underaged author.

Have a little respect for the little people in this world as well as
your corporate equals. One day you're going to get your ass shot out
from under you because you've forgotten completely how to communicate
with people below Presidential supreme commander level.

Get back down to a human level or at the very least, stop gloating in
your arrogance.

As i've said before if the message was intended for someone specific in
response to something they requested it should've been sent to them, not
dumped into a public forum, where you know DAMN well, there are people
who have no idea what it means.

Do you seriously for one minute think that people like Twitch and that,
and a several others I've read here understand what the fuck you're on
about? Have some respect for the planet in general instead of your
smartarse snotty "oh so superior" attitude.

That's the problem with people like you. You're all so arrogant in your
assumption that everyone is like you, that the universe rotates around
your superior intellect, that you are all so much better than anyone
else. The fact that you've trodden on people like me to get where you
are still hasn't instilled any respect has it. Don't forget the ladder
you climbed, the rungs might not be there when you most need them. And
it's a long drop from your elevated exhalted holier than thou position.

What possible in your wildest imaginings reason could I have to read Sun
Tzu, whoever he was? Will it make me a better driver? Will it help me
to get a better deal from the shelves at the mart, or dimestore? Will
it fill the tanks of my vehicles? Will it load my weapons when they
need it? Will Sun Tzu pay me at the end of the day for making a
delivery? Will it help me to navigate the roads I need to travel along,
or watch the radar for incoming Nomads or warn me when the weather is
going to get shitty? Will it let me know that there's something in the
road that's about to bust one of my tyres? Or is it simply some
esoteric bullshit laid down by some foreign geek concerning major
battles and engagements at regimental level? Huh? Drop your general's
stars and come down here to the world I live in.

Jeeezus fucking H. You really are an arrogant bitch aren't you. Well,
I think I'll go and download the entire works of Shakespeare, because
that lot will make a superior Lillith person, and help to fill the fuel
tanks when they're dry because who the hell needs to work for a living
when they can spout shit like that. No, If I learn to be as cultured as
Lillith, I'll get work /thrown/ at me. The president himself will
employ me, and everyone will think I'm a "jolly decent and a fine
sport", who can do no wrong, because I can say evereadyus without
spitting plums.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <20:17:03/01-02-59>

From:	Justin Fang <justinf@****.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:13:48 -0800

Message no. 49 >>>>>[You've now spent several days going: "Fuck you!" "No,
fuck YOU!" "Oh
yeah, asshole? Fuck you!"

BOR-ING! Don't you people have something more interesting to do, like
watching paint peel or grass grow? At least Jen and Gabe had amusing
insults.

I did find a use for Latin, sort of. Did you know "paraquat" comes from
"para-" (a Greek prefix) and "quaternary" (from the Latin word for 4.)
Apparently "Paraquat" is the name of a now mostly-obsolete herbicide.
Whatever.

No, I don't knopw Latin or Greek, I've just got a dictionary on chip. (Why?
It was really, really cheap.)]<<<<<
-- Sam-I-Am <14:00:51/01-02-59>

From:	"Paul J. Adam" <shadowtk@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:	Re: Teamwork?
Date:	Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:50:16 +0000

Message no. 50 >>>>>[I was going to say "no", but it gets worse.

Paint or gel only, though, even stupidity this blatant shouldn't carry a
death sentence.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <23:50:43/01-02-59>

Message no. 51 >>>>>[Paint or gel only??? What kinda game is that? Whassamatta girl
gettin' cold feet? Don't think you can take down ignorant scum like me?
An' where's the ticket?]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <00:00:00/01-02-59>

Message no. 52 >>>>>[Someone jus' pointed out to me that you's thinkin' of poundin' me
over some field or another with guns. Well, girlie I got a shock for
ya. I'm a rigger, I don't ground pound with the grunts. Ya see I ain't
got no legs. It's a tad difficult for me to go runnin' around in the
grass and the daisies. Now, if'n you wants to get yourself into some
sorta vehicular contraption, I'll happily come and kick your butt for
ya.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <01:24:31/01-02-59>

Message no. 53 >>>>>[Congratulations, Paraquat, you won me some money. Not only are you
stupid, hypocritical, blindly prejudiced and cowardly, you're painfully
predictable too.

Why do you assume that everyone who knows more than you has to be richer
than you, or have enjoyed some exotically privileged background? Some of
us just don't hold learning in the casual contempt you do. Deal with it,
shut up, go away.

I told you. Say this shit to my face, or not at all. What do you do?
Whine away from behind a keyboard, complaining that those nasty people
won't bow down and worship Paraquat.

And you prove your hypocrisy - or your stupidity - yet again. In one
sentence, oh, no, Lilith's got to be nice to Paraquat now, or it proves
that she can't be trusted. Next paragraph, off you go again, throwing
out wild and inaccurate insults... oh, dear, out of his own mouth
Paraquat just added "untrustworthy" to his list of vices.

And I'm not in Aldershot, you tedious little coward. Do we have to
translate every turn of phrase, idiom, metaphor and simile for your
miniscule mind to understand? I'm right here in Seattle. Want to play?

Sunday, dawn, Hollis Park in Renton. See you at the gate on Skelton
Avenue: bring a second. And an ambulance. We fight inside, out of sight
of anyone who might call the police to interrupt us.

I'll extend you an honour you show no sign of deserving: we'll do this
the old-fashioned way. So by tradition you get the choice, sword or
pistol. We end with either a public apology from the loser, or the death
of the loser, whichever comes first.

Time to put up or shut up, Paraquat.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <00:21:46/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Cath, Marathon, Hungry, Monolith
>>>>>[Wagers accepted. The duel's set for dawn, Sunday, at
>>location<<.
As the challenged, Paraquat has the choice of weapon. Anyone wishing to
attend is welcome to observe, but the seconds will take whatever action
is necessary to prevent interference.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <00:23:35/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: The Mighty Quinn
>>>>>[This isn't necessary, Quinn. The guy's an arrogant
blowhard.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <00:24:36/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Lilith
>>>>>[What are you, my mother?

Look, you want to watch, come along. Jason said he'd be my second, keep
the dumbass from doing anything stupid if he shows at all. Either he
won't show, or he'll pull some idiotic ploy. Either way, I get
satisfaction.

I'm not too bothered about me, but I'm not letting an ignorant shithead
post crap like that about you in a public place without doing some
amateur surgery on him for it. I don't intend to kill him, but if he
decides he prefers death to a public apology, too bad, that's his
problem not mine.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <00:30:42/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: The Mighty Quinn
>>>>>[And if he turns up in a tank?]<<<<<
-- Lilith <00:31:35/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Lilith
>>>>>[Then he's forfeited all honour, and all protection of the duel,
and I get to let rip on him with everything I've got. Plus Jason's
bringing some anti-vehicle firepower, just in case, something he said
tipped me. I'll get out all right, and if he lives I just hire that
assassin to nail his sorry ass for real.

No, you can't talk me out of it.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <00:39:45/01-03-59>

Message no. 54 >>>>>[Paraquat, was my apology sufficient or not?

If so, then do me the favour of ceasing this rambling abuse. I don't
really care whether you were born in the gutter to a ten-nuyen whore who
left you for the rats, or whether you're actually the Lost Dauphin of
France, living in luxury and trolling Shadowland for laughs.

Not everyone knows as much as I? Not everyone is as moronically stupid
as you, thank the Goddess. Stop insulting the rest of the world by
demanding it be as thick-skulled and thin-skinned as you.

...And you're calling me corporate? Now that _is_ an insult, you
thickwitted fool, and one that shows how utterly detached from reality
you are.
+++++inactivity timeout detected]<<<<<
-- Lilith <01:39:45/01-03-59>

>>>>>[I changed my mind: a lady's prerogative.

Lethal.

Soon.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <01:40:46/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[You missed your chance.

I'm going to kill Paraquat.

Stay the hell out of my way or I'll kill you and anyone else who gets in
my way as well.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <01:44:56/01-03-59>

Message no. 55 >>>>>[Guilt? Defensive? Not I, not over this.

Your imagination really is fevered, Paraquat, I'd seek medical
assistance. Evidently, where your cranium has become impacted so firmly
into your colon, your cerebrum has begun to experience a dangerously
high level of hyperthermic exertion; said sad ailment resulting in
dementia, paranoia, wild hallucinations, and delirious raving.

Locate for yourself a proctologist, lest the condition approach terminal
dimensions.

Hasten away, for your life's sake! And apologise to Quinn, because I'm
not sure I can talk her out of killing you.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <01:13:24/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[Something Paraquat said pointed to you as one of his team-mates.

_Please_ get him to shut up. If you can, get him to apologise to Quinn,
preferably without adding further insults to the post, but if nothing
else tell him he's in a deep hole already and to _stop digging!_

I still don't know what I did that offended him so much, but he's got
Quinn into a homicidal rage - she is not kidding, if he doesn't
apologise she's going to do her utmost to kill him - Jason has gone all
cold and quiet on the subject, meaning he's really angry too, and I am
beginning to think that the offer a friend made of having Paraquat
assassinated would actually be rather pleasant, if only so that I didn't
keep finding his drivel in my mailbox.

The problem is that if he beats Quinn, most especially if he violates
the code de duello - and I'd guess he'll fly into another of his rages
if anyone even tries to tell him the name, let alone explain the rules
to him, so he certainly will violate it - he will find himself fighting
Jason: and if he kills Jason then I'll have to kill him, in person or by
proxy: plus Stephanie may overreact to her father's death, and that
would be bad not only for Paraquat, but for you, the street, the
district...

Do you see how this could get ugly in a hurry?

I don't like constraining people's right to free speech, but I must
suggest you rein in your comrade's mouth, if only to save him from a
series of unnecessary battles and to prevent collateral damage that
could otherwise be avoided. None of us are invincible, but neither do we
go over easily.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <01:32:34/01-03-59>

Message no. 56 >>>>>[Okay, you cowardly chickenshit, we do it your way. You got offered
an honourable solution, too bad, that word's got too many letters in it
and Paraquat doesn't have a dictionary.

Same place. Same time. You bring what you want, I'll bring whatever the
hell I feel like.

Hope you like being dead, you've got a lot of it coming soon.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <01:50:42/01-03-59

Message no. 57 >>>>>[Read what I wrote Lillith. I said...

quote:
Your apology is accepted. And your personal guarantee that you won't
repeat the error. Good. Now I shall go away and sit quietly, once
again allowed to enjoy the conversations that come over this node

What is in that that you don't understand. Or should I get someone like
to translate it into Latin for you?

Oh, calling you corporate is a mortal insult? And you accuse me of
being unreasonable. You work for a corporation called SIGA. That makes
you corporate. You used to work for a slightly different organisation
once upon a time. Didn't you?]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <02:00:38/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Lillith
>>>>>[You better justify your last remarks madam. Or I'm gonna get
pissed off as well. I've stayed out of this so far, Don't invite me and
mine into it, with ill-considered threats. You want to kill me, you
better have a DAMN good reason to try it. You are _not_ a God. And you
will NOT sit in judgement of me and mine without justifiable reason.
Understand that and believe it.

Before that stupid event happens, you better make it DAMN clear what you
mean. You're calling out the wrong person.]<<<<<
Marathon <02:02:13/01-03-59>

Message no. 58 >>>>>{What does it take to get through to you woman?

ON THREE OCCASSIONS I HAVE STATED PERFECTLY CLEARLY THAT I ACCEPT YOUR
APOLOGY!

Obviously that's in English, I aoplogise. Wait I'll find someone who
can speak in tongues for you. 'Tis not I labourin' the point
girlie.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <02:08:32/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Lillith
>>>>>[First you call me out and threaten my friends and family, then you
beg me to help you prevent a possible blood bath.

Alright, I'm going to make an assumption here and assume that something
got screwy with the mails.

I have tried virtually from the beginning to stop Paraquat. He gets
bugs up his ass from time to time, and has himself a loop. They last on
average for two days, then he backs down. This time, for some reason
he's not going to back down. Someone wound him up and the spring needs
to be released. A close friend has already tried methods other than a
bullet to stop him, to no avail.

He will not apologise to Quinn. Not unless she agrees that what you did
was a breach of protocol, and that at least a small portion of his
ranting was justified, at which point Paraquat should apologise for the
name calling. Otherwise, he'll follow it through.

It's not that you did something that bugged him. It's what you did, and
the fact that rather than just leave it alone or say, "Oh, sorry, it
wasn't meant for you" you followed through. He gets real righteous
sometimes, and this node is a close hobby of his. He gets a great deal
of personal pleasure watching the people here get on in life and survive
against the oppression and threats we all face.

I cannot stop you, Quinn, or Lynch from killing him. Paraquat is a
close friend, but this is his fight, and he'll kill me as quickly as
anyone else if I try to involve myself. He will continue to respond to
you, for as long as you continue to respond to him. Someone has to back
down, and I will tell you now, it won't be Paraquat. He's too mean,
hard and stupid. If Quinn fights him, as you say with a code de duello
- first blood. He will honour it. He understands the code of a duel,
but he has certain, erm, difficulties. If Quinn fights him in a
vehicle, she's going to lose. I guarantee it. I have never seen anyone
handle a tank, truck or chopper like him, not in the movies, trid or a
novel. He was born part of a machine, that's all he knows. If she
fights a ground duel he'll lose. He can't move around except by using
his arms. His pelvis was crushed some years ago, and his legs
amputated. He couldn't afford replacement legs, not to the extent of
his injuries, neither can we, but we're workin' on it.

If the phrase is used in conjunction with something else, he'll figure
out what it means. If' it's thrown at him in it's raw state he'll blow
a fuse again. I don't know you or your abilities as well as I probably
should, so I can only say he might be able to kill you, and Jason, and
whomever else comes after him. Who the hell can tell. It's one of
those things were Lady Luck plays a big hand. He's tough, he's mean and
he's stubborn as hell.

If he is to fight, Paraquat won't do it where people are going to get
hurt unless he's forced to do so. That being the case, yes it will get
ugly. If allowed out into country, that's a different ball game.

He is my friend Lillith. A very close friend, almost my brother,
certainly my brother in pain. We have travelled far and fought many
enemies together. I cannot let him die at the hands of an assassin.
That is not honourable enough, not for him, not in my opinion. If he
dies because of his own rank stupidity, that's his problem. i will
mourn him, and bury him, and that is an end to it. Like any gunfighter,
he's made his call.

Before you kill him though. You might want to mention to Jason that
someone fed him a pile of information concerning a weapons transaction
in the middle east. Paraquat prepared that information, and the data
that went with it. Another compatriot posted it. Mayhaps that this
will alter your opinion sufficiently for you to convince Lillith that a
combat is appropriate, but a _simulated_ vehicle combat - for honours
sake. She cannot back down any more than Paraquat can, not without
losing face, and no-one in their right mind is going to propogate the
old west attitude of gunfights at noon.

Quinn is a pilot isn't she? Then face off in a simulator. First kill
and honour is satisfied. He'll enjoy that, and stick to the rules. He
will believe he has the advantage. Nothing too modern though, he's not
touched an aircraft for a few years. Something arcane. Mustang P150's
(his fave) or similar. Failing that choppers, tnks, anything. Just
don't let Quinn go for any kind of realistic shit. I will prevent
Paraquat from challenging for live rounds.

Insults have been passed, challenges made. An answer must be
given.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <02:28:32/01-03-59>

Message no. 59 ***** NOT-TO: Paraquat
>>>>>[ No, I don't want any of that action, Quinn. One thing, if he does=
decide to show up, give me a call. I'll be your second. ]<<<<<
-- Imp <21:51:42/01-02-59>

Message no. 60 *****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[You have no idea what your comrade has said.

Perhaps neither has he. Or perhaps he has. I do not believe he could
have chosen those words by accident, so ask him to explain them to you.
I, myself, do not choose to relive those years of my life to strangers.

He made his choices, these are the results. He dies. If you get in the
way, you will die too. I am sorry: you were asked to restrain him: you
did not, and he continued to press me. There it ends.

That is not threat, that is not bluster, that is truth.

Paraquat should have chosen his words with more, or perhaps less, care,
Marathon. ]<<<<<
-- Lilith <03:00:35/01-03-59>

Message no. 61 >>>>>[Do you talk out of yuour arse from habit or birth defect?

Coward??? I accepted your challenge you dipshit. Won you money? What
money? What the hell are you talkin' about? Stupid? Probably.
Hypocritical? Never. blindly prejudiced? Not as much as you are
madam. Predictable? In certain ways, yeah, so what of it?

Why do you assume to know what i think? How do you KNOW I think
everyone who knows more is richer than me? Ever heard of sarcasm? Oh
no of course not, it wouldn't penetrate your size 6 Combat 2's would it?
You know the ones you wear over your head.

And I told you I'd be happy to say this shit to your face. You returned
with some esoteric comment concerning Aldershot kisses, the only
Aldershot on the entire planet exists in England. Did you give me an
address to attend your so casual threat? No? did you make it clear you
were local? No. Did you suggest an area where a combat could be
moderated to assure the end result was correct and that I don't kill you
through cheatin'? No. Did you do anything except throw out empty
threats? No. Who's the coward then Quinn? You're quick to accuse,
you're quick to challenge, and your quick to gloat but you ain't so
quick to get off your damn pedestal and back up your empty challenges.

Did I request anyone worship me? No. Did I ask people to bow down?
No. Did I ask the entire world to drop everything it's doing because I
spoke? No.

Your accusations are meaningless, pointless, empty, futile and pathetic.

Did I say Lillith had to be nice to me? No. Did I say that Lillith
could not be trusted if she wasn't nice to me? No.

Again, your argument falls flat on its face from your own arrogance and
stupidity. You continually accuse me of being in some way mentally
deficient. Well, at least I don't misquote and make wild accusations
regarding comments that were never made. I accused Lillith of a number
of things, yes. But at I have not once misquoted anything she said,
unlike you.

Again, in your incredible belief of your own superiority you call me
coward. Yet you know nothing at all about me. I may be a tedious
little man, I may have a miniscule mind. But at least I stood by my
words and haven't attempted to weedle out of them. You didn't announce
where the challenge was to be, yuou just mentioned Aldershot. Aldershot
is in England, it is the only town on this planet that has that name.
Did you say anything about Seattle? No.

Can you read? Apparently not? I already accepted your fucking
challenge you illiterate twat. Or should we make the whole town our
playground, and kill as many people as we can, just to answer your
bruised ego, and satisfy your pathetic and feeble pasion for revenge and
vengeance over some imagined slight. For someone with such airs and
graces you amaze me. Sticks and stone may break my bones, but words
will never hurt me. Remember that one Quinn? Well, it seems like Words
can hurt you big time. Aw, ya poor little wuss. Well come on then,
come and kick my ass if'n you can. Or are you gonna go running and hide
behind your friends like I figure you will.

Oh right.

Sunday. Dawn. Hollies Park, Renton. How melodramatic. Bring a second.
Oooh, lookie she's gonna accord me an honour I don't deserve. Aww ain't
that just sweet. You gonna get yourself an very unpleasant surprise
woman. I'll choose pistols. At least I got me a chance o' holdin' one
o' them things. See you there loudmouth, at least you finally had the
guts to stand up behind your words, unlike some I could mention.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <02:50:12/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Mighty Quinn
>>>>>[The wager was against Paraquat accepting the challenge. he has
accepted. You lost the wager. If however, you would like to win your
money back, we are prepared to allow that. The amount you owe us,
against Paraquat winning. if he wins, you owe us nothing. If he loses,
we pay you what we owe you. Terms concerning seconds are acceptable.
Only two of us will be attending. Myself and Monolith.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <02:53:17/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Paraquat
>>>>>[Well, now you've gone and done it. You stupid son of a bitch. I
have to explain to Cath how I stood by and allowed someone to blow your
thick head off. Guns Paraquat? You've never fired a handgun in your
life. Firing a handgun is very different to using a rig to target and
fire. What are you going to do, hold it in your teeth?

YOU STUPID FUCK! I ought to come round there and kick your fucking head
in myself. What happens if by some miracle you kill Quinn? Well? You
get half a dozen other people on your ass. I can't pull you out of this
Paraquat. Neither can Monolith. All we can do is try and keep you alive
after Quinn's put a bullet between your eyes. Fuck you Paraquat, we
don't need this, not now.]<<<<<
-- Marthon <02:58:03/01-02-58>

*****PRIVATE: Monolith
>>>>>[You saw the post? The address? What are we gonna do? Quinn is
gonna kill a cripple over something as stupid as a few words, and that
moronic fuckup Paraquat is taking the challenge. OVER A FUCKING WORD
FOR CHRISTS SAKE. Can't you just brainwash him or something?]<<<<<
-- Marathon <03:01:12/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[You been fucking my sister for more years than I care to remember.
That don't mean you got the right to boss me around boy. It's time you
took some responsibility in your life, and if explainin' how you let me
get killed to Cath, then so be it. It's my choice, boy, and that's an
end to it.]<<<<<
-- Paraquat <03:05;34/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[There is no brain to wash. He does what he does, because he feels
strongly enough to want to maintain the illusion that he is right to
stand up for the minority and downtrodden. Maybe it is as simple as he
is sick of life? Would you like to live as he does Marathon? We cannot
fund the operations, we cannot fund the cyberware that would make him a
man again. Let him have his last glory, in a moment of stupidity where
he considers himself to be fighting for his own honour. And when Quinn
kills him, let her leave peacefully, in the belief that honour has been
satisfied, and luck proved her right. It's not as though you have not
been drawn into similar stupid arguments.

Let him die in peace, believing he is a man again. I will deal with
Hungry when the time comes. You deal with Cath. If you cannot stomach
the job, I will act as his second.]<<<<<
-- Monolith <03:06:07/01-03-59>

Message no. 62 >>>>>[You know, Paraquat, all you needed to say was "I'll be there,
and
I choose pistols."

See you there.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <03:21:42/01-03-59>

*****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[The bet was against him showing. Cowardly blowhard scumbags like
that talk a great game. They never seem to play so good.

I'm still betting he won't dare show his face, and if he does I'll blow
it off for him.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <03:23:35/01-03-59>

Message no. 63 *****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[Many things can be forgiven. Some cannot.

Quinn will not back down from her challenge. As stated, the park, dawn
on Sunday, until he apologises or until one of them is dead.

And, now, neither will I. If he lives, I will hunt him down and kill
him. No pretensions of honour, no duel, I will have his blood for his
lies.

I am sorry if you considered Paraquat a friend. If you were _truly_ his
friend, you would have protected him from his own folly. He has pushed
too far, too hard, and now he has spoken a lie that strikes to the heart
of my being, and I cannot let it pass.

He has dishonoured me, Marathon. Either he studied, and chose the words
he felt would cause me the greatest harm; or he stumbled across them by
accident in his idiot malice. In either case, the harm is done and
cannot be undone.

What did I do to hurt him so badly, Marathon? What cruelty did I inflict
upon him, that he must make such mockery of my past in a public place?

Blood must answer. His, or mine.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <03:17:43/01-03-59>

Message no. 64 *****PRIVATE: Lillith
>>>>>[I have no idea at all what you are talking about Lillith. But you
continue to accuse and threaten me. That is not acceptable. You want
to kill Paraquat for some imagined slight. Ok. But you even go so far
as to try and involve myself or my friends, and you have no
comprehension of the destruction you bring upon yourself.

You don't want to relive part of your life? Now I am confused even
more. You accuse Paraquat of being insane, yet talk in riddles
yourself. Very well then, I will not press you to explain, it is
something that is painful to you, I understand that.

Just be sure you are threatening the right people Lillith. It would be
a shame to kill the wife of a man I admire, and then have to face him
for the crime. I'll not get in the way of anything you get into with
Paraquat. He's a big boy and can fight his own battles. But, and you
had better believe this. I will tear your living soul from your body if
you dare to come after any of the rest of us.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <03:31:11/01-03-59>

Message no. 65 *****PRIVATE: Lillith
>>>>>[You do whatever you must woman. Just remember what I have said.
It is not an idle statement. I _will_ tear your living soul out of your
body if you dare to come for me or mine. Honour is honour is honour.
Words are words. If words from someone you hold in such contempt can
insult your honour, then you have surprisingly thin skin.

No matter. He'll most likely not survive his gunfight at dawn with
Quinn. Attend the battle if you will Lillith. Look upon the ruin of a
man you hate so much, and maybe you will understand why there is such
hate within him. Maybe, provided you don't do something stupid, I will
explain how he became like you see him. Assuming you even care enough
to know your assumed enemy.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <03:43:23/01-03-59>

Message no. 66 *****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[Then we understand each other perfectly, Marathon. My quarrel is
with Paraquat. I will kill him for his lie. If you and yours stay clear,
then you are completely safe from me, and I regret the loss I cause you.

Paraquat referred, first vaguely and then with increasing directness, to
a part of my life I would sooner forget. He mocked it, warped it, jeered
at it. I stood by, I did nothing, I asked others to do nothing.

Finally he dares to speak of it openly, and I can bear it no
longer.]<<<<<
-- Lilith <03:45:54/01-03-59>

Message no. 67 *****PRIVATE: Mighty Quinn
>>>>>[A play on words perhaps? Very well madam, if you wish to renege,
hat is how it shall be. The bet stands as is then. You kill him, and
we pay you 160 nuyen. Make no mistake Quinn, he will show. He will
show. I hope you gain great satisfaction to your honour for "blowing
his face off" for him.]<<<<<
-- Marathon <03:49:12/01-03-59>

Message no. 68 >>>>>[I can't believe y'all can take this argument to the point where
y'all gonna actually KILL a man? I mean, the guy has NO FRAGGIN' LEGS! And
you still ask for blood? Yeah, big ol' civilized bitches, speaking latin,
but acting like damn Neanderthals. Listen up. This thing is
useless...Quinn, you know you're gonna blow his head off. You gonna get a
high off that? Honor? Revenge? Yeah...you sure are professional.

I'll tell you one thing, bitch. Paraquat stood up for guys like us. He
stood up in front of you and your clique, the fraggin' pantheon of Godly
runners. You shoot his face off, I'll hunt you down, drag you to
Paraquat's neighborhood and hang you there. If you want an honorable
opponent, one that can sure as hell shoot a gun, step up, bitch.]<<<<<
-- Haze <23:21:00/01-02-59>

Message no. 69 ***** Private: Lilith
>>>>>[Why waste the effort?
He's tempting me almost enough to face the pain summoning a great storm
spirit would cause me. Almost.
Naw. Why waste the time on the meta planes?]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman <23:42:15 est/
1-2-59>

Message no. 70 ***** Private: The Mighty Quin
>>>>>[Do you, Lilith or Jason know where that Paraquat guy lives? I'd like
to pay him a visit.]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman <23:45:23 EST/
1-2-59>

Message no. 71 Private: The Mighty Quin, Jason Lynch, Lilith
>>>>>[You need astral back up due to Marathon or any other of Paraquats
pals, me and sister Jasmine are there. For free. No one insults the
honourable on my watch. NO ONE.]<<<<<
--Kristling (the Weird) Ravenwing, Cyber Shaman <23:54:03 EST
/1-2-59>

Private: The Mighty Quin, Jason Lynch, Lilith
>>>>>[Just so you KNOW it's both of us, I'll be around with my brother if
you need us.]<<<<<
--Jassmine Blith-Ravenwing <23:56:03 EST /1-2-59>

Message no. 72 *****PRIVATE: Kristling Ravenwing, Jasmine
>>>>>[Stay out of it, Kristling, this is a seriously personal matter.

No, we don't know where he lives.

Thanks for the offer of help, though. It's appreciated.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <14:01:45/01-03-59>

Message no. 73 >>>>>[Haze, he may have no legs. Tough. That's supposed to offer him
some kind of protection? He's allowed to say whatever shit he wants and
nobody's allowed to call him on it? He's going to apologise or he's
going to die. It's called tradition and honour, Haze, I suggest you find
out what they mean.

He believes what he said so strongly he's going to die for it? Then I
have to apologise for calling him a coward, he's a _brave_ ignorant
arrogant hypocrite.

And who the hell are "guys like you", Haze, and why do they need
standing up for? Paraquat picked a fight. He pushed and pushed, and
finally someone pushed back. Go into any Barrens bar, walk in, and start
randomly insulting the patrons. Shout louder and louder. See what
happens next. It's called "real life".

So far, all I can be sure about is that he doesn't like Latin, Lilith,
me. or just about anything. Anyone who disagrees with him is "lording it
over him" and anything he doesn't instantly understand is a conspiracy
to publicly humiliate him. Well, too bad, I'm not rearranging my life to
deal with some paranoid class-warrior. All he's got to do is say "sorry"
and we don't have a duel, do we?

And you want to come hunting me, Haze? On past form that probably makes
me safer than I am now. Your rep's not in the best of positions from
which to threaten me.]<<<<<
-- The Mighty Quinn <13:59:43/01-03-59>

Message no. 74 *****PRIVATE: Marathon
>>>>>[Lilith's deep in a tranquillised sleep, I'm fielding her mail
while I try to find a way to keep your friend alive. I keep wondering
why, whenever he talks to me: is there _anyone_ he won't spew incoherent
abuse at?

Paraquat dug deep down into Lilith's soul, plunged a knife in, and
twisted it. Maybe he doesn't even know what he did. You know why she
went off the deep end with that "corporate" remark? She _was_ corporate,
once, Marathon. She was her Daddy's little corporate whore for nearly
two years.

Daddy made money for Ares, and his daughter wasn't a productive asset o
the balance sheet, so if it made Daddy happy to stick his dick in his
daughter whenever he wanted, the corporation was willing to not only
ignore it, but to help him cover it up. Hey, it's leverage if Daddy ever
misbehaves, plus they can keep his salary down, it's sort of a benefit
in kind...

She ran just after she turned fourteen: making a messy story simple,
I'll give you three guesses what her first real job on the streets was,
and the first two don't count. Took her the last ten years to work up to
where she was: hooker to bodyguard to samurai to spook.

That's what "being corporate" means to her, Marathon. Paraquat said she
was the same kind of scum as her stepfather.

You see why she's gone a little beyond mere anger about that?

The other stuff, fine, she was telling Quinn not to be stupid and to let
it pass, Paraquat was way off target with most of his rants. It got to
Quinn, it didn't bother Lilith much: puzzled her, confused her, didn't
annoy her especially.

That one line, wham, she went homicidal. And your dumb friend had to
keep hammering on it, didn't he?

She and I have work to do, and I can't keep her doped out for long, and
I still don't know how I'll call her off when she wakes up, but I'm
going to try. Why? Because I think Paraquat still doesn't know what he
did, and probably never will - he's too obnoxiously idiotic for me to
tell him anything about my family, Christ knows what he'd do with the
info next time he loses his temper - and stupidity isn't a capital
crime. And yeah, because you passed us some information that made a
difference, when you had no need to do so.

And yeah, wreck of a man or not, I find I do hate him: or at least his
blind rage, his mindless prejudice, his hysteria. He's walking around
demanding that someone kill him, and sooner rather than later someone
will. Don't ask me to feel sorry for that, Marathon.

But I'll try to keep him alive, this time.

Lilith won't settle for anything less than his blood, at least not when
I put her under. She's even accepted an offer from an assassin to kill
him, which I'm trying to wave off: and that's _scary_, Marathon. Like
me, she does her own killing. Yet this time, she doesn't care who or
what kills him as long as Paraquat dies. She was going to hire _Twitch_
to come after him! Does that tell you just how deeply Paraquat enraged
her with his one stupid remark on top of all his other inanities?

Quinn? She's a soldier, killing him would be murder, she'll let it pass
when she sees him. (I don't know where you got the idea she flies, she's
got about a hundred hours in Stallions and that's it). Lilith's going to
be harder to placate, especially since it seems Paraquat's too mean and
stupid to back down one inch.]<<<<<
-- Lynch <14:57:54/01-03-59>

Message no. 75 ***** NOT TO: Paraquat
>>>>>[ Suggestin ta flatline de loudmout for free ruins the rates for
the professionals, Quinn. Dat's not nice. ]<<<<<
-- Ein_Schuss <21:23:44/01-03-59>

Message no. 76 *****PRIVATE: Twitch, Paraquat
>>>>>[ Congrats, for the first time on months, this board isn't boring.
You've both got a knack for irritating the two bit posers that seem to
live here. It's quite a refreshing change from the 'War network' reject
footage that's been flooding the board lately. Keep up the good work.
]<<<<<
-- Jen & Gabe <00:05:32/01-04-59>

Message no. 77 *****PRIVATE: Jen & Gabe
>>>>>[Don't know nothin' about two bit posers, two bits is a bit rich
(haha I made a funny). But they's all a wierdo bunch for sure. Y'know,
no-one would talk to me first. Then I used a bad word, and they talked
to me. What a strange lot.

War Network? Oh, you mean that foreign stuff that made it's way in
here? The erm, Yummy, nah, Yammer, erm - oh yeah, Yemen stuff from that
stiff Lynch and Bill and their cronies. It was OK, bit samey but it
were OK, hell it were better than hothin'. I thought this would be a
good place for work, but it ain't. Useless, utterly useless. I tell
you one thing though, thems a sensitive bunch in here. Fart and some
stiff complains. Jeez.

Hey now wait a minute, I knows you. Jen & Gabe, J&G right? Yeah. Now
you're supposed to be somthin', somethin stupid. Well, I'll believe
that when I see it. Ya'll don't seem so bad.]<<<<<
-- Twitch <11:08:13/01-04-59>

*****PRIVATE: Jen & Gabe
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>>>>>>[ Congrats, for the first time on months, this board isn't boring.
You've both got a knack for irritating the two bit posers that seem to
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footage that's been flooding the board lately. Keep up the good work.
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